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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« on: December 05, 2002, 08:30:41 AM »
The problem with Amithlon was that it was written to support the PC.  Even if this fiasco comes to an end and Bernie gets justice.   A huge problem still exists, it runs on PC's and the PC market is the biggest piracy ring in the world.  So if Amithlon is continued it will be pirated like everything else in this community.  Bernie should write software for OS4.

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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2002, 08:55:32 AM »
Why does everybody talk about piracy here?

We all know it's a problem, and it effects every platform. Why will software running on OS4 be any different?
 

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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2002, 09:40:11 AM »
Because McEwan's magic dongle will scare them
all away!!!

OK, sorry, I couldn't resist that one. ;-)
 

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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2002, 10:06:41 AM »
Yes... the dongle (ROM code?)...

Well that will protect the OS (for a while), but it won't really do anything for the apps, will it?
 

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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2002, 11:21:54 AM »
I dont belive that we should worry about piracy, when it comes to Amithlon. Have you tried searching for Amithlon using Kazaa, i have, and zero results came up. Why??? well maybe becuase the PC people dont want to ""weast"" time cracking the code. But if the Software is kopied anyway it's PC-pirates, it's Amiga-pirates. And they really want to crack the software, I dont really think that it matters if the software is writting for OS4 or the PC, they are gonna crack anyway.

By the way, does anyone know how much piracy there is in the amiga world???
 

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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2002, 11:59:44 AM »
"By the way, does anyone know how much piracy there is in the amiga world???"

I'd say almost none, except when it comes to old games, but we could all discuss ad infinitum if geting a game that is not possible to get anywhere anymore is piracy...

But if there still exist software piracy in the Amiga world today.. why?  Almost everything is kickass cheap when it comes to software.
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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2002, 12:13:12 PM »
Haaaaaaaa!!!!!

Where did you get that imformation?
There is more piracy in the amiga camp than you can shake a stick at.

I'm talking brand new apps, at time of released.

The only reason that you people don't want the dongle, is because it will hurt your feelings if you can't download stolen software off of your pretty little filesharing programs.

Ahhhh.
Let me shed a tear.

Get a life, and get legal.
 

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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2002, 01:23:49 PM »
"Where did you get that imformation?"

I made an assumption, not a statement.

"I'm talking brand new apps, at time of released."

Such as?

Do YOU use pirated software then? It sure sounds like you know where to get it from.  :-P
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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2002, 01:39:25 PM »
>I dont belive that we should worry about piracy, when it comes to
>Amithlon. Have you tried searching for Amithlon using Kazaa, i have,
>and zero results came up.

Well, on August 30th, the number of downloads of the latest contrib archive matched the number of AmigaOS XL copies sold.

During November, there were roughly 400 downloads of that archive. Even if we assume that September and October only matched the November levels, that's 1200 downloads more than copies of Amithlon sold.

*Someone* is making these downloads. It's quite likely those "someone"s actually have the product...
(Note: Any numbers quoted above are in terms of distinct IP numbers. Multiple downloads (or attempts) from the same IP are only counted once).
 

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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2002, 01:46:59 PM »
"that's 1200 downloads more than copies of Amithlon sold."

Yikes! Who'd figure that an Amiga emulator would be so sought after... nowadays all we hear is "Amiga is dead" and still hundreds of people gets amithlon... weird. *and finds himself hating software piracy even more now*
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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2002, 02:05:18 PM »
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Yikes! Who'd figure that an Amiga emulator would be so sought after... nowadays all we hear is "Amiga is dead" and still hundreds of people gets amithlon...


I am in no way trying to justify piracy, but the people who would pirate Amithlon are the same people who would grab MAME and all the old game .roms..  Remember, there are no great Amiga games left by today's standards (ok, well I *can* think of a couple), but there are literally thousands of games that these same people grew up playing on the Amiga.  Now that you can't get new Amigas and you really can't even find 99% of the games even by mail order, you begin to understand the problem.

With "abandonware" sites so prevalent, why are you surprised that someone would pirate Amithlon (or any other Amiga emulator which does the job)?

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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2002, 02:19:20 PM »
Because I see a vastly difference between Games and Applications. With Amithlon, you can't play the old games, unless you booted up UAE inside Amithlon. So WinUAE is the one to use when playing games. But with Amithlon...well, that's being used for resourcedemanding programs and development as I see it, not to play games. (simply said, WinUAE does the job better when it comes to games.)

So that's why I am suprised.  .rom and .adf files containing games is not that serious software piracy in my eyes (and just like you I'm not justifying piracy) when it is games that you can not get hold of legally in any way.  But pirating commercial software like Amithlon, StormC, Art Effect, Amiga Writer.. that kind of software, then it's true piracy.

Guess I thought the Amiga User Community to be more honest than it really is.  :-(
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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2002, 02:23:35 PM »
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Guess I thought the Amiga User Community to be more honest than it really is.
Next to bad management (which some will argue is still the case today), software piracy is -- and always has been -- one of the top 3 causes of the Amiga's downfall.

Yes, it's debatable as to whether a 15 year old game you can no longer find legally since the company doesn't even exist can be considered piracy in the broadest sense of the word but the fact remains that software piracy kills.

Wayne
 

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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2002, 02:29:51 PM »
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Next to bad management (which some will argue is still the case today)

Was that a neutral way to express your feelings? :-)
Beating the dead horse since 2002.
 

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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2002, 02:38:55 PM »
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Was that a neutral way to express your feelings?
Let's call it "diplomatic", shall we?