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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #14 from previous page: August 08, 2006, 10:57:05 PM »
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There are many days I ask myself why couldn't Hyperion produce an Amiga OS4 for the x86 platform, or for ppc Mac. With an x86 version of AOS4 many of us who own or owned a classic Amiga and now are sitting in front of an Windows or Linux system would be run to the next dealer around the corner to catch one package of AOS4. And I believe that this market would be a much bigger one than the 1000 or less Amiga Ones they've bought until today.


I'm pretty confident that this is something being heavily considered by Hyperion. Frankly, you don't spend a couple of years developing software that won't be able to be run on any hardware. My guess would be that they have tried running the OS on some different hardware platforms, and are hoping to find a way of releasing the OS while not having to be tied to the Amiga One motherboards (because, let's face it, the Amiga Ones are scarce already and a couple of machines dies of every year). Would anyone in their right mind continue developing such extensive software for a platform that, as of today (might of course change if some new hardware will be released), has no future whatsoever (and now I am not talking about all those people developing software for OS4, but the OS in itself)?

Hyperion is probably not aiming at pleasing only the community. Like someone said elsewhere: the community might feel there is a deadline for the 'return of Amiga'. People in general don't have that deadline, because to them Amiga has been dead since ages, and it won't matter if it will make a return in 1,2 or 5 years time.

The major problem, according to me, is that people that want to develop software for the OS isn't able to do so as of today. According to me, if they want software, they should aim at releasing the OS4 beta for classic PPC as soon as possible (relasing it as is, of course, and only if it is in such a shape that it is possible to use it for developing software for the OS).

Then there is also the problem of communication. Which is one of the major problems with some of the software and hardware developers still developing for the Amiga. Elbox, Hyperion, ACK, and many many others... they simply can't do good communication with the community. And, in the end, we all know what happens... people will start to doubt... there will be flaming... god knows what... and in some extreme cases the developers will be so upset by this (oh, it should really come as a surprise to them, no?) that they just quit doing what they are doing.

Heh.

I lost my focus. Sorry if this post makes no sense whatsoever.

It is, in the end, pretty ridicilous that the one thing that makes me not bothering about anything annouced for the Amiga today... (until it actually is released)... is bad communication. You don't announce things that you don't know for sure that you can deliver, you don't set deadlines which you can't keep, you don't promise things over and over again just to over and over again let the people you promised this and that down...

It isn't really strange that things look the way they do. With so much anger, hatred and doubt... in the community as of today... but, whatever, I am not really part of that any longer. I'm happy with the software/hardware I've got... and I will be happy with it for many years to come... so, if there will be no new hardware I won't be disappointed, and if OS4 won't be commercially released I won't be disappointed... but if... just if... I will of course be happy. But it will be a bonus... and not something that I've expected or eagerly awaited... and, thus, I feel rather well with one of my hobbies, the Amiga.
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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2006, 11:33:15 PM »
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No logical answer whatsoever has been given to as of why Hyperion haven't released OS4 beta for Classic PPC yet

Indeed, many answers were given, but none of them contained any common logic. They prefer to wait for some basement soldering instead of selling OS4 to hardware that is already there (CSPPC and BPPC).
They will always find new stupid reasons *not to sell* what they have been working on for 5 years. Idiocy must be part of the Amiga-curse I guess...

 I believe i gave some clues about this in my previous post on this thread. And to add some more drama to the already tragic "OS4 for the classics" situation: One of the most well-known OS4 classic testers, Ryu, has recently left the Amiga scene.. I'm sure he had his reasons if you know what i mean...
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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2006, 01:58:34 AM »
@AmigaMance

re:Ryu
A betatester in Amigaworld irc indicated today that Ryu still participated on the beta mailing list.
Ryu (Darren) also indicated in the main channel of irc that he had a recently rekindled interest.

re:hardware/Amy & Coldfire
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46625
I have posted some links within this thread that I hope you will find of interest concerning BB4,
Amiwest, and the hardware scheduled to appear at same.

Note:developers are usually in the Amigaworld irc main channel (#amigaworld) and they, almost daily,
answer questions from our membership and our visitors. In fact, Adam of ACK controls is doing this
as I make this post.

re:ACK
CPU upgrades/replacements for A1s scheduled for release Q3.
New hardware demo Q3 and scheduled for release Q4.

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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2006, 08:34:19 PM »
With no hardware in sight why not emulation or virtualisation? If I was clever enough I would create such a program (unfortuanally I only know how to emulate a 6502A ;-) ).

I see two ways this could be done (with expertise and time from people),

One way is to emulation with x86's. There could be a Virtual A1 program or a UAE modification that emulates a PPC accelerator. Sounds slow but I would'nt be surprised if a Core 2 Duo could emulate a 600MH G3 faster than the real thing. I would like to hear from x86 Mac's using Rosetta if this realistic or not.

The otherway is virtualisation on a older PPC Mac. The processors are the same, and I find virtualisation 80% speed of the host as long as I don't try and do 3D graphics on it.
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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2006, 08:57:03 PM »
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Blinx123 wrote:
Thank you guys. So maybe I´ll buy a AMIGA ONE sometime in the next year.

BTW: Why aren´t there new AMIGA ONEs sold? Should there be a AMIGA ONE XG in Micro ATX Format or something like this? I read about it on wikipedia.


It is a long story, but the jist of it is the supply of some
of the A1 components dried up.  I do not recall which chip
nor from which company they came.

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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2006, 09:17:30 PM »
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It is a long story, but the jist of it is the supply of some of the A1 components dried up.

Really? You mean that they would have continued to produce the hardware with defect chipset if they hadn't run out of some of the chips? Tell me it ain't so...

Well, I guess it makes sense. They did sell 3 different "AmigaONE" motherboards to people, all defective the same way (more or less). 4th wouldn't have made a difference.

Seriously now, my understanding is that they finally figured out that the northbridge they used (Articia) was hopelessly flawed. Instead of investing tons of money to new design with new northbridge (which wouldn't have sold more than couple of hundred units) they decided to pull the plug. Good move financially.
 

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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2006, 09:29:23 PM »
@Legerdemain

If there had been hw available then upd#4 would have been the official os 4 release though! And rogue posted on aw.net that they are still doing bugfixing and polishing,and therefore i think that there will be new hw. Else i think they would have dropped the whole os by now.
 

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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2006, 09:44:24 PM »
Who knows about legal implications? Maybe Hyperion is doomed to release the version for AmigaOne first - and with Eyetech dead in the water they can't release anything at all.

A smart move would've been to take advantage of the Mac platform - not to attack OS X, but to make use of modern hardware without the hassle of having to design it. Now the PPC's dead (in respect of an independent platform) and Hyperion would have to go x86 - no way this is gonna happen.

I've pretty much given up on AOS4. With every year that's spent in 'development' the number of people outside the community that might get interested drops from very small to even smaller. I'm pretty sure whatever future the Amiga has is called AROS.
 

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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2006, 09:59:16 PM »
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beat that horse....
we should diss-own hyperion and amiga inc and move forward.
I am blown away by the fact that some people are still holding out hope for this! AMAZING! Who cares about some bad PPC motherboard in 2006?  Yes we need to more to intel....no hyperion will not be able to pull it off, let's just call it like it is save some time and engery.  
if you want a new amiga NOW consider the pegII a nice machice VERY amiga like.  You can also run linux and OSX on that motherboard.
 

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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2006, 10:22:05 PM »
@pierre

You on a campaigne for mos or something? Do you think they are still developing os4 for the a1's for fun? You're pretty amazing too. x86 have been discussed billions of times so why bother discuss that over again and again? I believe that hyperion will eventually release os4 final.
 

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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2006, 11:19:50 PM »
fist sorry for the slight OT...

secondly:
yes I'm on a campaigne for things that are actualy good for the amiga. morphOS is VERY cool and you can buy one unlike the a1 thingy.

"Do you think they are still developing os4 for the a1's for fun? "
I am pretty sure they are developing OS4 as some type of hobby as they don't appear to have a very good plan... (amatures in the business field for sure, no I'm not dissing the coders!)  Sad that they are in charge of the amigas future, shame!

x86 is the future!  It will be talked about again.  What's wrong with that.  It makes sense to talk about something other than oldschool PPC chips, that's so yesterday!
maybe hyperion will release os4 maybe they won't who knows! Do you?

I did't realy care if hyperion ever releases os4, if they do I will check it out if they don't I won't care... its realy quite old at this point anyway.  what should I write a love letter to hyperion telling they how wonderfull they are and that I will wait FOREVER for any crap they put out?  Why genisi has delivered something cool to the amiga commmunity they deserve props for that, no?

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Re: Amiga OS 4.0. Does it run on other hardware,too?
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2006, 12:49:31 AM »
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I believe that hyperion will eventually release os4 final.
well, they already have in everything but name only.
OS4 works just fine. I've seen it with my own eyes.
Yes, the BIG problem is the lack of HW to run it on for new users.

I have a peg, I like it, but if there was an A1 (or whatever it would be called) to run OS4, and I had the money to buy it, I'd want that too.

call me greedy  :-D
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