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Title: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: Florida on August 25, 2011, 01:16:00 AM
How would I go around ordering a domain name the most affordable way?
 
Also, is there a such a thing as a web and E-Mail server on a chip?
If not I was thinking about building some hardware that could run on solar power and then use either Linux or Windows. I am not sure what operating version I would be using.
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: Florida on August 25, 2011, 01:25:29 AM
Has anyone ever tried WebServUSB?
http://www.webservusb.com/
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: dreamcast270mhz on August 25, 2011, 01:39:16 AM
For server use both FreeNAS and OpenBSD are very good
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: Florida on August 25, 2011, 01:57:03 AM
Super, I will look into that.
 
Another question for either OpenBSD or Windows:
Are there any web server games available, like card games, chess or strategy games where people log on to the server and play against each other either realtime or turn based?
 
Anyone ever tried Freeciv Metaserver?
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: yssing on August 25, 2011, 03:11:37 AM
this is a tiny webserver...
I dont think it covers e-mail tho..

http://www.kyllikki.org/hardware/wwwpic2/

this one is even better and still very small

http://hackaday.com/2008/09/25/web-server-on-a-business-card-part-2/

if you want to go small and powerfull, and dont want to build your own HW

http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/arm-sbc.php
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: takemehomegrandma on August 25, 2011, 03:46:04 AM
Quote from: Florida;656052
Also, is there a such a thing as a web and E-Mail server on a chip?
If not I was thinking about building some hardware that could run on solar power and then use either Linux or Windows. I am not sure what operating version I would be using.


Really small, but maybe a bit limited:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug
http://plugcomputer.org/

Really small and cheap, and a bit more complete:
https://www.genesi-usa.com/store/details/11
http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2011/05/solar-powered-energy-generation-system.html
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: Gilthanaz on August 25, 2011, 07:51:14 AM
I'am hosting a LOT of things for many, many years. From your questions, it appears you do not really have any idea what you want/need/must have to host things (like... games? Why would you want browser games..?). In that case, the only flavour I can recommend is Ubuntu. I've not seen any other *nix flavour in the last ... well, since there IS a *nix flavour thats open source, thats so easy to install and very user friendly, even if the user is not so experienced.

Aaaand... thats pretty much it. Also runs from a 4GB USB Stick. Or even from a DVD (physical read-only for the security win!)

Also, please do not use the words "Server" and "Windows" in the same sentence, unless you're trying to explain to someone that "Server" and "Windows" should not be used in the same sentence; I could already throw up 24/7 reading Microsoft propaganda, about their "Windows" "Server" "operating systems"....

Hardware.. solar powered? Well, it really depens what you mean by that. All my stuff is solar powered, at least while its bright outside ;) But do you mean a stand-alone box with 2 small photovoltaic cells? Like, could also be used for a mobile backbag server? Or do you just mean "very low power consumption" - in that case i can recommend you some hardware that works in the 40W area but provides quite some power per Watt.

Need more details for better answers :D

KR,
Gil
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: tone007 on August 25, 2011, 02:45:03 PM
I used to run a couple of rack mount servers in my garage, but they were too noisy and power hungry.  Now I just leave my cocktail table MAME system on 24/7, running Windows XP and online via WiFi.

(http://cbmvax.com/jungle/cocktail.jpg)

Bonus, it's always ready to play a game.  It's also hosting that picture!
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: yssing on August 25, 2011, 07:32:56 PM
That is just one cool setup you got there :)
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: Linde on August 25, 2011, 09:55:21 PM
I've got a Seagate Dockstar running 24/7 at ~15W to serve dynamic web pages, FTP, run an IRC bot, play music etc. They used to sell for like €20, but demand probably rocketed when people figured out they could run Arch Linux on it, so it's a bit more expensive now.
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: Linde on August 25, 2011, 09:59:13 PM
BTW, WebServUSB is just a software package, really. Seems like kind of a scam to me, since you could set up a portable LAMP on a USB stick yourself for a tenth of the price.
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: desiv on August 25, 2011, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: tone007;656100
INow I just leave my cocktail table MAME system on 24/7, running Windows XP and online via WiFi.
Nice system...

er..  Did you just tell the world you have an XP web server on the internet and handed out it's address?  :(

:)

desiv
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: trekiej on August 25, 2011, 11:11:42 PM
http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html
Sorry, if that is not helpful.
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: tone007 on August 26, 2011, 02:19:46 AM
Quote from: desiv;656134
er..  Did you just tell the world you have an XP web server on the internet and handed out it's address?  :(


Sure did!
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: Ryu on August 26, 2011, 10:22:54 AM
You could always just use an amiga :-) I run an A1200 with an 030 accelorator card in and it's been running now for almost 117 days withouth the need to reboot. I just registered a domain and had it point to my IP address, simples!

http://www.bambi-amiga.co.uk
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: ptek on August 26, 2011, 01:14:40 PM
A friend of mine uses a Bifferboard: http://bifferos.co.uk/
Not much powerful but enough to host his webpage and only uses 1 watt.
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: sdesros on August 26, 2011, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;656060
Really small, but maybe a bit limited:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug
http://plugcomputer.org/


I host multiple sites on a SheevaPlug and USB based harddrive.   It works fairly well, except for a few problems with occasionnally needing to drag laptop with a USB cable to get a debug terminal in case it stops working. :P

That said, it was the best small server I've used.  I had an Efika for a while (while I was waiting for MOS for it) and a first gen fitPC.  Both systems worked fine, but the extra ram found in the SheevaPlug works more.

That said the newer fitPCs have better specs: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/ .

In both cases the SheevaPlug and FitPCs would need you to setup and install the webservers, email servers (including spam filters), and even the OS.  There are some decent packages like ehcp.
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: TheGoose on August 26, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Quote from: tone007;656100
I used to run a couple of rack mount servers in my garage, but they were too noisy and power hungry.  Now I just leave my cocktail table MAME system on 24/7, running Windows XP and online via WiFi.

(http://cbmvax.com/jungle/cocktail.jpg)

Bonus, it's always ready to play a game.  It's also hosting that picture!


Damn, do I have to put in 25 cents to get on the interewebs at Tone's house?
Looks like you're serving up some Donkey Kong!
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: desiv on August 27, 2011, 12:04:09 AM
Actually, I think that's Popeye????

desiv
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: cv643d on August 27, 2011, 12:58:31 AM
Running your own mail is not such a good idea really. Too much work than it is worth IMHO. Just get a Gmail account and be happy.

I should add an Amiga to my server park too. Can not really think of anything else than to put an Amiga banner and system spec on the hosted site though :-P
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: tone007 on August 27, 2011, 10:29:49 AM
Quote from: TheGoose;656261
Damn, do I have to put in 25 cents to get on the interewebs at Tone's house?


I used to have the quarter slot connected to the power button connector on the old PC I had in there so dropping in a quarter would power it up, but I didn't bother reconnecting it when I swapped a different PC in.

Quote from: desiv
Actually, I think that's Popeye????


Yup, Popeye.

Quote from: cv643d;656264
Running your own mail is not such a good idea really.


I agree, the work isn't the worst part of it though, what stinks is when your server is offline for a couple of days and you don't notice.
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: johnklos on August 27, 2011, 07:53:25 PM
The Bifferboard looks cool. A 150 MHz 486sx with 32 megs of memory is more than enough to run a web server. Heck, I have Drupal running on an m68060 Amiga with NetBSD, and I'd guess that'd be about the speed of a 150 MHz 486sx (although the Amiga has more memory).

The Sheevaplug type machines are good because they don't rely on other things besides some USB storage (unlike that webservusb, which is just a marketing gimmick and useless). I have a Dockstar (same basic chipset as Sheevaplug) running NetBSD and with a 1.2 GHz StrongARM you can pretty much run any kind of web software you want.

Email is a different issue. If you're willing to invest the time (a LOT of it), you'd have much more control over your own email than if you went with Gmail. I started hosting my own email back in the '90s and will never give it up because services like Gmail, Hotmail and Yahoo do certain things terribly wrong (like content based filtering) and therefore cannot be considered deterministic. When my machine does filtering (based ONLY on the sending server), everything gets logged and reported, so it's entirely deterministic. I require that.

Would I recommend it to just anyone? No. If you need or really want deterministic email, then the kind of people who'd play with Amigas would probably do better than most.
Title: Re: Smallest web and E-Mail server, possible Linux or Windows?
Post by: johnklos on August 27, 2011, 07:59:10 PM
BTW - webservusb.com is a scam. I hope nobody actually bought that.