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Title: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 11, 2003, 12:23:38 PM
ok , this is a weird one.

For old times sake i played trough heretic2 again (by hyperion) and i came to the last level and i had saved all the way troughout the game , then i got 256mb ram and i installed that in my machine (a1260/240) and now my save games wont work.

i saw this earlier on and i expected it to be that i needed the update , but this aint the problem, last time i played the game from start again, i hope i wont need to do this again.


anyway it seems when i change hw (memory , from 128 to 256 the game simply wont work anymore (save games only) .

i have tryed everything, i emailed hyperion about it sometime ago aswell (last time it happened) , but back then it wasn't really as "OH NO!" as now , so i just played it from start again.


thanx for any help!

 
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 11, 2003, 12:25:56 PM
bleh i forgot to say ,  i use latest updates and i am regged on the hyperion site and since i emailed you last time about it and got no proper solve...help me now...either by a pm or a email or answer in the forum :D (if i violate any hyperion support rules...that is)

thanx

Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: AmiGR on October 11, 2003, 12:49:03 PM
If the old saves were stored using the previews version of Heretic 2, they won't work, iirc, as the
save game system changed a bit.
If that's not the case, it might have been memory
corruption or something, but it's unlikely. You'd
better contact Hans Jörg.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Cojo on October 11, 2003, 02:06:27 PM
hi,
i did notice that the savegamecode doesnt seem to be fully fixed with the latest update.
a solution is often to delete the "current" savegame drawer. this will delete your current stats from the last levelchange or something.
give it a try, might help.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 11, 2003, 02:22:47 PM
amigr: save games was made with LATEST update , and i am using LATEST update now , all that is changed is my memory.
(and i allready contacted hyperion about it once, and funny enough i got the same answer as you gave now , this was a while back and i wasnt sure if i had the latest upd on both old and new , so i just replayed all levels ... anyway NOW I AM SURE i use the latest version)


cojo: will try right away..., thanx for the tip!

cheers
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 11, 2003, 02:26:58 PM
damn tht didnt work ;(

SRR0: 770D038C    SRR1:  0000F070     MSR:   00003040    HID0: 0040C000
PVR:  00071201    DAR:   56893B74     DSISR: 40000000    SDR1: 73C0003F
DEC:  00002A8B    TBU:   00000001     TBL:   EA41C974    XER:  00000000
CR:   48004448    FPSCR: 82022000     LR:    76FE4134    CTR:  00000000

R0-R3:   00000000 764B0E30 75BB8688 00000070   IBAT0: 00001FFF 00000022
R4-R7:   56893B74 76ED2714 000000FF 00000000   IBAT1: 00000000 00000000
R8-R11:  00000001 773EE3BC 00000000 00000000   IBAT2: 00000000 00000000
R12-R15: 28000448 764B1280 73B67968 73B6BE5C   IBAT3: 00000000 00000000
R16-R19: 764B11C0 0000004C 00000000 75C90000   DBAT0: 00001FFF 0000002A
R20-R23: 76EF0000 76EF0000 76EF0000 00000000   DBAT1: 00000000 00000000
R24-R27: 7747F6C4 00000001 0000000F 75E6FDE0   DBAT2: 00000000 00000000
R28-R31: 0000001A 774852A4 7747F6C4 774852A4   DBAT3: 00000000 00000000

F0-F3:     0               0               4.7200 E 2      0          
F4-F7:     1.0000 E 0      1.0000 E 0      0               0          
F8-F11:    1.0000 E 3      0               1.0000 E-1      0          
F12-F15:   9.9999 E-3      0               0               0          
F16-F19:   0               0               0               0          
F20-F23:   0               0               0               0          
F24-F27:   0               0               0               0          
F28-F31:   0               0               0               0          

Warp-OS                                              2000 by Sam Jordan


thats the error...when loading my save game.

any help would be appriciated.

cheers
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Karlos on October 11, 2003, 10:53:03 PM
Does it say what the error type is?

Often an access fault or whatever...
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 11, 2003, 11:02:45 PM
karlos: nope ;( ... just instantly after i load the level it crash (savegame) and i am forced to do a reboot.

i can start a new game, works fine...but not loading a savegame.

..


all this just because of .. 128mb upgrade to 256.. ;(
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Karlos on October 11, 2003, 11:33:56 PM
That is pretty weird :-?

I wouldn't expect the saved game data to contain any data that depends on the memory config of your machine. Apart from having more RAM, any other changes? Drivers? Engine patches?
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: AmiGR on October 11, 2003, 11:52:47 PM
Damn, I really can't help you then! :-(
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 12, 2003, 12:31:07 AM
only mem was changed indeed .. ;(

really weird yes...

tried a friends save's also... SAME! problem.

it seems saves are restricted to the system they was made on...

####...and i was on the very last level also ;(

oh well... seems i have to do it all again then :D

Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: DoomMaster on October 12, 2003, 01:20:56 AM
Why not just play the game on its native platform, the PC.  The PC version of Heretic II is a much better version then the Amiga version.  Play PC games on a PC and play Amiga games on an Amiga.     :roll:
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 12, 2003, 01:38:49 AM
doomy:... going for the babble trophy ?

anyway if heretic 2 is better on pc than on amiga then you really need to get your eye's checked!

on your milletary amiga 2000 it wont even run so i dont know why you even bothered to visit this thread...

also here is a clue magoo, this game doesnt even work on XP ... so hurrah!... nowait maybe there is an 180mb update you need to download, oh wait i dont even own a pc! , so how would i know if this game is on pc even? ...oh wait..wasn't RAVEN an amiga team ? ..oh yes they was... oh oh oh oh!

Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: KennyR on October 12, 2003, 01:50:31 AM
Heretic 2 was crap on the PC. Too much virtual memory thrashing, especially when you hit alt+tab to go back to your browser to find some decent servers to play on. *grind*...*grind* (watch the screen redraw line by line)...IE stops responding...*grind*...reload IE...*grind*...switch back to heretic II screen...*grind*...windows crashes.

Actually, it's the same for all Windows games no matter how much memory you have installed. Windows seems to stupidly allocate all memory for any running task. Wow, what fun - not.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 12, 2003, 12:35:43 PM
Oh no! I was going to buy 2 128meg simms and Heretic 2 soon. Should i reconsider my plans?! I currently have 128meg ram.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 12, 2003, 02:18:57 PM
cu_amiga:buy more ram , but heretic2 save games will not work... its the only issue i have had so far and i have tested it all...
anyway its just a save game , you can save new ones while u play when you have 256mb in it.
i played about 2 hours into the game again and thoose saves works just fine.


i have emailed hyperion about it again today.

anyway you get this error when u upgrade from 64 -> 128 also... , just checked + also if you change from 040 ppc to 060 ppc ..

so its definitly a bug.

cheers
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Karlos on October 12, 2003, 07:53:25 PM
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DoomMaster wrote:
Why not just play the game on its native platform, the PC.  The PC version of Heretic II is a much better version then the Amiga version.  Play PC games on a PC and play Amiga games on an Amiga.     :roll:


Shows you how much you knowm eh? How would you have a clue how PPC/Warp3D games play when you own an ECS 2000 HD? :roflmao:

As for it being PC native, soon you will be telling us that Doom itself was developed directly on MSDOS based PC's and not the NeXT system (and then ported to MSDOS using  Watcom DOS 4GW kernel).

Similarly Quake 1 was not actually designed on PC, neither was Quake 2 upon which the Heretic 2 engine is built. The Quake 2 engine was heavily adapted for windows, but its core was always cross platform.

Take a look at the engine source for any of these engines if you dont believe me :-P
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: kd7ota on October 12, 2003, 08:01:08 PM
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DoomMaster wrote:
Why not just play the game on its native platform, the PC.  The PC version of Heretic II is a much better version then the Amiga version.  Play PC games on a PC and play Amiga games on an Amiga.     :roll:


So if I want to play Soul Calibur 2... How do I know its native platform? They do run the same..... Oh well...

PC version being better.... Erm. I could have sworn most games back then were alot better then PC version at its time. Sure PCs now run the games fast, but MIDI sound over the PAULA? Naw, Amiga owned.

For your Amiga 2000. I dont think its ever going to be as good as my Commodore 64. C64 is total ownage.  Has alot more funner games  :-D.

I am 17 now and know that A2000 had ancient crap in it that I would never want. Just keep your opinions about stuff to yourself.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: DoomMaster on October 12, 2003, 09:27:44 PM
To kd7ota:

You sound like you just turned 17 too!  I have been working with computers since the very first personal computer- the Apple back in 1977.  I have been playing video games since the very first video game- PONG back in the 70s.  I now help design modern video games.  I DO know what I am talking about.  YOU would be wise to listen to what I have to say, ok 17 year old ?!     :destroy:
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: kd7ota on October 12, 2003, 09:34:53 PM
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DoomMaster wrote:
To kd7ota:

You sound like you just turned 17 too!  I have been working with computers since the very first personal computer- the Apple back in 1977.  I have been playing video games since the very first video game- PONG back in the 70s.  I now help design modern video games.  I DO know what I am talking about.  YOU would be wise to listen to what I have to say, ok 17 year old ?!     :destroy:


Hah! Dont care howl long you been working with computers.  I had Apple computers in school, so I know what they are.  I own an Atari 2600, so I know what pong is.  No I am sure you dont know what your talking about since you say your Professional A2000 computer is the best. I think my old 133mhz 486 is more powerful in CPU calculations. If I listened to you, then I might as well be listening to a post.

OK Doom master?! :destroy.:
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: kd7ota on October 12, 2003, 09:37:52 PM
@everyone else

Don't worry.  Just kinda annoying when you have someone claim their superiority.  I know my share of computers, but I never go blabbing about how awsome I am at them. Everyone knows their fair amount on computers, and thats great, we all learn new stuff everyday.

But if you have someone who keeps blabbing about how they been around since day 1 at things, then the only thing to do is to get what they need to be quiet.

So does anyone know where to download Heretic II game for PC to try it out, and so that I can find an OpenGL version of it.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: odin on October 12, 2003, 09:38:38 PM
@doommeastro:

Bwahahahahaahah :roflmao: :lol:
So that's how you teach computerscience in the schools with A2k's? :-D :lol:

Oh and what games have you helped design btw?

-edit-
FECK! I fell for his bait again  :-x.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: kd7ota on October 12, 2003, 09:41:40 PM
@odin

AHAHAH, yea, I was thinking that, but never posted it.  Why in the heck do you show an Amiga 2000 to kids. More then likely, they will be asking for the internet and they would keep bugging you about why they cant check their hotmail or even play their flash games. ;)
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: DoomMaster on October 12, 2003, 11:06:42 PM
To kd7ota:

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I am sure you dont know what your talking about since you say your Professional A2000 computer is the best.


I never said that the Amiga 2000 computer was the best.  What I said was that the Amiga 2000 Series is the highest quality, best made of all the Amiga models, and this is a fact.  It is not my opinion.  I also stated that the Amiga 2000 is the Flagship Amiga computer because of its durability and expandability, and this is a fact.  It is not my opinion.  The Amiga 3000, 4000, and 1200 computers are more powerful then the Amiga 2000 Series, but they are low quality, poorly designed machines.  Whenever I need to use a fast, powerful computer, I always use my Pentium 4 PC Clone that I custom built.  It blows the doors off all Amiga computers for speed, power and performance!  I only use my Amiga 2000 Series computers for playing my over 1000 vintage Amiga games, viewing and listening to Amiga Demos, and for drawing the graphics that are used in modern PC games.  I prefer the Amiga paint programs to the PCs.  Face reality, in todays modern world the PC kicks any Amiga's arse!     :-P
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: DoomMaster on October 12, 2003, 11:16:39 PM
To kd7ota:

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Why in the heck do you show an Amiga 2000 to kids. More then likely, they will be asking for the internet and they would keep bugging you about why they cant check their hotmail or even play their flash games.


I show the Amiga 2000 to the kids because it is the highest quality, best made Amiga and because it is the Flagship Amiga computer.  All of the Amiga 2000HD computers at the school ARE on the internet and are running at peak performance.  The kids just love these computers and tell me that they are much better then their mom and dad's PC computers at home.     :-D
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 13, 2003, 12:05:59 AM
doomy: oh ok .. WOW ...NOT! .. i use 1 amiga and no pc etc...and guess what..i dont have a need for a pc even!! do u know why??

BECAUSE ITS NOT A TOY! .

bye to u mr.2000 troll
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: that_punk_guy on October 13, 2003, 12:15:34 AM
Guys, just ignore him.

lempkee, did you try removing the extra RAM to see? I know it's really obvious but I don't think you mentioned trying it anywhere. I mean just to check it still works without it, so you know nothing else weird went wrong you didn't know about.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 13, 2003, 12:28:30 AM
hitchcock: (punk guy :D) no i didnt , because i did this.

last game i played before switching to 256 ..was heretic2 , 5 mins later i added the mem and it didnt work (save games) .

so i reinstalled the game to make sure + installed updates....still same..

the sim's are definitly working under 60ns 256 since heretic2 is the only prob..and that prob is only with save games (old).

all other #### is ok.

old simm's was 60ns also... , i might try it to make sure but hey that doesnt help me at all, as i am not going back :D

 still waiting for answer from hyperion about this.


cheers and thanx for interests in helping me out.

pps:doomy go and post somewhere else.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Rogue on October 13, 2003, 12:30:11 AM
(Trying vehemently to ignore Mr. Trollmaster...)

The "Funny" thing is that there shouldn't be any connection between Heretic II's save games and memory.  It just replaces the function pointers with numbers (based on a table) and dumps that to a file. On load, it replaces the numbers by function pointer again (based on the same table), so there should be absolutely no connection to available memory...

Bottom line is I don't have any idea why the game would crash with more memory - you'd normally assume the opposite.

I'm sorry I cannot help you there. It's exceedingly annoying to have the game crash on the last level (I have played the whole game, so I know how hard it was especially in the last few levels). I normally would say it is coincidence, but since the same thing happened before it can't really be unrelated. but like I said I wouldn't know any reason how this could happen.

I'll scan the source code again for clues, but I'm afraid that is all I can do.

Best regards,
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Rogue on October 13, 2003, 12:32:28 AM
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old simm's was 60ns also... , i might try it to make sure but hey that doesnt help me at all, as i am not going back :D


Speaking of 60ns, did you try setting them to 70ns? Are the SIMM's different size/models?
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 13, 2003, 12:39:54 AM
no i didnt try setting at 70ns , because i got more mem to make it faster :D , anyway games collapsing at 60ns happened alot when i used some other simm's 12months or so ago...this doesnt happen now.

so i am pretty sure thats not it , and most of all remeber... i can start new game and make new SAVES! and load them as normal!

but not my saves from 128mb time ;( , really sad..

and ohboy!! its annoying! because this is the second time in the last 4 months ;(

i can send you my saves , maybe when i installed the new ram they somewhat got messed up?.

afaik its about 7 megs.. let me know if you want me to do that.

cheers and thanx for replying hans jøerg!
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 13, 2003, 12:45:59 AM
oops , i forgot.

yes simm's are diffrent , i had 2x64mb , now i have 2x128mb  , old ones was samsung 60ns , new ones are hp 60ns .

size is approx same and both attach fine to my board.

games like shogo/freespace/quake2 etc runs brilliantly with the mem and much faster than on 128mb :D , because of texture caches ofcourse..
(though its not many fps but its faster for sure)

also no options was changed in my settings on the bppc bootmenu , i changed nothing in the games either...just loaded it up...  and eventually (for the others) i pushed up the cache..

and i pushed up the cache in heretic 2 also (gl_texturecache xxxxxxxx) and that works fine if i start a new game and save...and load up the save.

old saves still doesnt work :D

pps: i back'd up my save games in a special drawer before i uninstalled it (heretic2) , installer asked if i wanted to keep my settings + save games...so i selected yes , found out saves didnt work (just got the wos exception) so i copied my back'd up ones into the dir and tried them...same error ;( .

hope this helps..

cheers
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 13, 2003, 12:47:12 AM
pps: no need to delay os4 dev because of this prob in heretic2 for me.., but it would be nice if you took a look atleast.

if nothing is fixable or findable, well i will replay it while i wait for os4 :P
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Rogue on October 13, 2003, 12:48:26 AM
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i can send you my saves , maybe when i installed the new ram they somewhat got messed up?.


You can try, I don't know if my mail account can handle that, though. I think it is somewhere at 5 megabytes.

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cheers and thanx for replying hans jøerg!


I wish I could help you., too...

Regards,
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: kd7ota on October 13, 2003, 01:23:23 AM
@doommaster
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DoomMaster wrote:
 What I said was that the Amiga 2000 Series is the highest quality, best made of all the Amiga models, and this is a fact.  It is not my opinion.


Yep, definately opinion....

Simply I think the Amiga 4000T is the best quality, best made computer.

 
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I also stated that the Amiga 2000 is the Flagship Amiga computer because of its durability and expandability, and this is a fact.  It is not my opinion.  The Amiga 3000, 4000, and 1200 computers are more powerful then the Amiga 2000 Series, but they are low quality, poorly designed machines.


Yet..... Another opinion.  I think Amiga 4000 is better designed. Amiga 2000 is poor quality....

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 Whenever I need to use a fast, powerful computer, I always use my Pentium 4 PC Clone that I custom built.


Thats nice to know. I also make my own computers. So your not special.

Hah, this is too much fun. A dude out there is crazy about some Amiga 2000HD that is slower then slow itself.  His ultimate P4 "PC Clone" is god itself. How bout this one for size.  My friend has a P4 2.4ghz machine, a GeForce FX 5200, and 512mb of the RD-Ram.  I have a Athlon 1700+, 512mb of 2100 ram, and a Geforce 4 mx 440.......... Turns out mine pushed out more FPS on Quake III then his setup did.....

That dont matter. So you have anything else?
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: kd7ota on October 13, 2003, 01:27:24 AM
@doommaster
Quote

DoomMaster wrote:

I show the Amiga 2000 to the kids because it is the highest quality, best made Amiga and because it is the Flagship Amiga computer.  All of the Amiga 2000HD computers at the school ARE on the internet and are running at peak performance.  The kids just love these computers and tell me that they are much better then their mom and dad's PC computers at home.     :-D


Ahah! That is funny. I would love to surf the net with the professional 32colors you achieve on the video of an ECS or OCS chipset on the 2000.  I want to also listen to MP3s I download on it.... Oh wait...... Too slow.....

oh well, I am gonna stop writing all this stuff. I got Quake III to play. Later.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Karlos on October 13, 2003, 03:51:59 AM
@Rogue,

Purely guessing here, but could there be any data in the saved game that is indirectly linked to the machine state, rather than something more obvious. Maybe some cacheing mechanisms hold more data in memory possibly affecting the ordering of tables and such?

Hmm, that does sound a bit like grasping at straws...

I wonder if it is a weird bug that was present in the original game and never weeded out?

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(Trying vehemently to ignore Mr. Trollmaster...)


Yeah, he probably doesn't even know who you are ;-)
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Karlos on October 13, 2003, 03:57:09 AM
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DoomMaster wrote:

I show the Amiga 2000 to the kids because it is the highest quality, best made Amiga and because it is the Flagship Amiga computer.  All of the Amiga 2000HD computers at the school ARE on the internet and are running at peak performance.


Cool. All those 2060 68060 + SCSI-2 cards must have cost a bit then...

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The kids just love these computers and tell me that they are much better then their mom and dad's PC computers at home.     :-D


Poor buggers. I came from a poor background too. Those Pee Cee 8086 XT based systems are pretty bad next to the 2000, for sure :lol:
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 13, 2003, 11:59:01 AM
Okay so it is okay i get 256meg ram! Would it make any speed differences?

@DoomMaster

Go away old man! PLEASE!
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 13, 2003, 12:31:04 PM
cu_amiga... ;( u dont read the posts...

anyway i allready told about the speed increase, it wont be much higher ofcourse..its just that you can cache alot more in ram (and thts a good thing)
also if you use SFS you can set MUCH high buffers :D , which means the whole system can e alot faster , sure you could do it with 128mb ram also , but heh not very wise if you want to play a game that require 100 mb or so with normal settings :D

beyond that....170mb is free here when i am not 1. games (3d)  , 2. internet (cache is to ram). 3. dooing 3d stuff.

and i havent been able to run out of memory yet :D
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 13, 2003, 12:39:38 PM
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lempkee wrote:
cu_amiga... ;( u dont read the posts...

anyway i allready told about the speed increase, it wont be much higher ofcourse..its just that you can cache alot more in ram (and thts a good thing)
also if you use SFS you can set MUCH high buffers :D , which means the whole system can e alot faster , sure you could do it with 128mb ram also , but heh not very wise if you want to play a game that require 100 mb or so with normal settings :D

beyond that....170mb is free here when i am not 1. games (3d)  , 2. internet (cache is to ram). 3. dooing 3d stuff.

and i havent been able to run out of memory yet :D


Its not that i don't read them, it just i dont get some of them. As i am no genious. Anyway, i will be getting the 2x128meg simms soon. :-)
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 13, 2003, 01:15:34 PM
yeah i might babble too much :D

anyway the main thing is, games like quake1,2,heretic2,shogo,freespace is games that will run on 32mb and up , but that doesnt mean having 128 will make it perfect since your system might be like mine (a boot require like 50megs :D) , this is just stackattack/disk buffers etc so basically i could live without that but since i have an powerflyer i feel its really needed.

there is alot of ways to make your amiga faster and some can be a overkill and it also depends on your file system.

still confused ?.
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: CU_AMiGA on October 13, 2003, 01:19:57 PM
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lempkee wrote:
yeah i might babble too much :D

anyway the main thing is, games like quake1,2,heretic2,shogo,freespace is games that will run on 32mb and up , but that doesnt mean having 128 will make it perfect since your system might be like mine (a boot require like 50megs :D) , this is just stackattack/disk buffers etc so basically i could live without that but since i have an powerflyer i feel its really needed.

there is alot of ways to make your amiga faster and some can be a overkill and it also depends on your file system.

still confused ?.


More than ever! I think i understand a little. Addbuffers, etc
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Rogue on October 13, 2003, 01:53:10 PM
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Purely guessing here, but could there be any data in the saved game that is indirectly linked to the machine state, rather than something more obvious. Maybe some cacheing mechanisms hold more data in memory possibly affecting the ordering of tables and such?


No, I don't think so. The problem is that (like Quake 2) there are function pointers which are saved based on the assumption that their virtual address will be the same whenever you load the game. In Quake2 we came up with a better solution by looking up the function it points to in the program's seglist and replacing the pointer with a seglist number/Offset pair. In H2, we used a table lookup for that (which can get quite large).

The original game had another twist - if you updated the gamex86.dll, it would cease to work with old saved games because of the reason outlined above.

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Yeah, he probably doesn't even know who you are


That goes the other way, too - I don't even know who he is ;-)
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 13, 2003, 02:16:43 PM
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Yeah, he probably doesn't even know who you are

That goes the other way, too - I don't even know who he is



don't fear because he doesn't know who he is either :D  (doomy)
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Karlos on October 13, 2003, 03:27:25 PM
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lempkee wrote:
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Yeah, he probably doesn't even know who you are

That goes the other way, too - I don't even know who he is


don't fear because he doesn't know who he is either :D  (doomy)


:lol: :-D

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I was just wondering what Rogue's immediate thought was when he read Doomy's "The PC version is much better.." post...
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: Robbie on October 14, 2003, 08:11:50 PM
ok, so in this thead 'Doom Master' says, and I quote...

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I always use my Pentium 4 PC Clone that I custom built. It blows the doors off all Amiga computers for speed, power and performance!


But then you'll notice that in a 'I need disk drive standoffs and ribbon cables !' thread, Doom Master points out this...

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My Amiga 2000HD computers runs circles around my piece of crap Pentium 4 PC computer.


 :smack:
Title: Re: Heretic II , Problem!
Post by: lempkee on October 14, 2003, 08:23:38 PM
@robbie:

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ok, so in this thead 'Doom Master' says, and I quote...


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I always use my Pentium 4 PC Clone that I custom built. It blows the doors off all Amiga computers for speed, power and performance!




But then you'll notice that in a 'I need disk drive standoffs and ribbon cables !' thread, Doom Master points out this...


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My Amiga 2000HD computers runs circles around my piece of crap Pentium 4 PC computer.



thanx for that info.

we all clearly knows that doomy is the biggst troll around! , if not then atleast the biggest amiga2000 troll :D