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Offline chrisTopic starter

A first for OS4?
« on: October 02, 2010, 01:27:09 PM »
Unsatisfactory Software is proud to announce the first release of the WebP DataType for AmigaOS 4.

WebP is a new heavily compressed image format developed by Google. In a repeat of the launch of PNG, where Cloanto made AmigaOS one of the first operating systems to support the new format, Unsatisfactory Software has performed the same feat with WebP.

This new DataType will allow any OS4 system with DataTypes supporting software, to view WebP images. This includes older AmigaOS web browsers such as AWeb.

WebPConv can be used to convert existing images to the new format.

WebP DataType
WebPConv

More information about WebP can be found at http://code.google.com/speed/webp
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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2010, 02:11:57 PM »
Great news, thanx for your hard work.
 

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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2010, 05:54:27 PM »
Quote from: chris;582551
Unsatisfactory Software is proud to announce the first release of the WebP DataType for AmigaOS 4.

WebP is a new heavily compressed image format developed by Google. In a repeat of the launch of PNG, where Cloanto made AmigaOS one of the first operating systems to support the new format, Unsatisfactory Software has performed the same feat with WebP.

This new DataType will allow any OS4 system with DataTypes supporting software, to view WebP images. This includes older AmigaOS web browsers such as AWeb.

WebPConv can be used to convert existing images to the new format.

WebP DataType
WebPConv

More information about WebP can be found at http://code.google.com/speed/webp


Great! Did you have some code already written? Or more precisely: How did you write a datatype so quickly. :-p
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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2010, 06:17:02 PM »
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Great! Did you have some code already written? Or more precisely: How did you write a datatype so quickly. :-p


I have some old datatypes (based on the code of salass00) which need minimal alteration to create a new one, and the WebP library is very simple.  The hardest bit was building libvpx, but after a few failed attempts I realised MickJT had already ported it - so I just used the pre-built one.

Simples ;)
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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2010, 06:27:45 PM »
Thank you for you work, Amiga OS in the head in this new format, not in the tail.
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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2010, 07:03:42 PM »
That reminds me...
Back in the day, I had a HAM-E video box, and the software that came with it.

This was in the early 90's...

I remember being online and the Black Belt guys were talking about adding support for a new compression routine/standard.  So I DLd the update and was viewing compressed images that were TINY but incredible!!!  
Yep, it was JPEG.

What reminded me from this thread was that I remember the BB guys saying they believed their software was the first commercial software to support JPEG.
If true, that would make the Amiga, the first computer to commercially support JPEG as well...

(They were also pretty early to provide morphing I think.... ???)

Can't remember the software name tho now..  Image..  magic/master???

Anyway, yeay for OS4 and the new datatype.  Another Amiga first.

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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2010, 07:14:19 PM »
I don't quite get it.  I go to Google's site and they have WebP encoded PNGs how do these differ from ordinary PNGs?
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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2010, 07:22:17 PM »
The PNGs on googles site are not WebP images..

It is a screenshot of a WebP image... Since WebP isn't really supported by anything at the moment the only way they could show the quality of WebP was to use a lossless picture format (png)

When/If WebP takes off then you'll get to see some real WebP images
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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2010, 07:56:19 PM »
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That reminds me...
Back in the day, I had a HAM-E video box, and the software that came with it.

This was in the early 90's...

I remember being online and the .... tho now..  Image..  magic/master???

Anyway, yeay for OS4 and the new datatype.  Another Amiga first.

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How 'bout second - The Linux routines have been available for a bit...
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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2010, 08:12:49 PM »
Another jpeg2000 I'm afraid. I've never had any use for the jpeg2000 datatype for instance.
 

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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2010, 08:15:55 PM »
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How 'bout second - The Linux routines have been available for a bit...
As the first source code for Linux was in 1991 and JPEG was in 1992, I'd be surprised if Linux beat the Amiga in a "commmercial first" for JPEG.
I mean, I used some really early Linux distros and they weren't much for graphics apps back then.  

Unless you are just talking about WebP.

In which case, I'm not sure.  I didn't post initially about OS4 being first with WebP.

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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2010, 08:26:26 PM »
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Unless you are just talking about WebP.

Quite clearly it was about the WebP in particular. Indeed it isn't a first.
 

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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2010, 08:31:51 PM »
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Quite clearly it was about the WebP in particular. Indeed it isn't a first.

Most likely, but I prefer not to assume.

You can do whatever you choose...  ;-)

Wow.. Slow day for you??  :roflmao:

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p.s  For clarification for Piru as it obviously bothered him, I was replying in that way to let him know that, since he was replying about WebP (most likely) not being a first, he should have been quoting the person who originally made the statement.  Mine was more a tangent about jpeg.
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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2010, 09:00:13 PM »
thanks !

any chance you would do more datatypes like ogg ? we have mp3, flac and wave but no ogg datatype (I usually encode my CDs in ogg with ADripper).
 

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Re: A first for OS4?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2010, 09:09:26 PM »
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Quite clearly it was about the WebP in particular. Indeed it isn't a first.


Hence the question mark.

Of course, the routines are available for Linux, but beyond the example webpconv file converter, what can you actually do with WebP on Linux?  Does anything else support it?

With this datatype you can actually use WebP files under AmigaOS just like any other image file format, without the need to convert the files back to something else first in a manual process.

I've just written the code for NetSurf for WebP too, so at least one web browser will shortly be supporting it.  Whether WebP takes off... well, we'll see.  With Google behind it, it just might.

As for JPEG2000, there are some incredibly high quality NASA charts in JPEG2000 format, the lower quality ones are JPEG.  It may not have much of a foothold, but there are JPEG2000 images out there in the wild - unlike MNG/JNG.

It takes a long time for a new graphics format to gain a following, I was using PNG for years (on my website too) before the main browsers started supporting it properly, and got lamented for it.  Now everybody uses PNG.  You have to start somewhere.  I'd rather release this now and show that AmigaOS is still up-to-date, than wait five years for the forums to be full of "why can't I view this image, it's in WebP format?".

Besides, it was quick and easy to do, I've probably wasted more time explaining myself than actually writing code.
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