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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: persia on January 27, 2010, 04:55:11 PM
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Woo hooo, this is exciting, can you believe the media surrounding Steve Jobs talk? This is far more exciting than that guy from Hawaii who's talking tonight in Washington...
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Woo hooo, this is exciting, can you believe the media surrounding Steve Jobs talk? This is far more exciting than that guy from Hawaii who's talking tonight in Washington...
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Yeah it is quite ridiculous, but say what we want to... But Jobs is a MASTER at manipulating the media and marketing his visions...
Hyperion could use a Spin-Doctor like Jobs!
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Yeah it is quite ridiculous, but say what we want to... But Jobs is a MASTER at manipulating the media and marketing his visions...
Hyperion could use a Spin-Doctor like Jobs!
yep..not bad for a college drop out :-)
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@ persia
Hilarious! :)
I confess that I am getting caught up in the hyped excitement... although the rumors circulating that thing thing is essentially just a huge iPhone make me less interested. It's an OSX machine that I'm interested in!
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Steve Jobs is a bleep scumbag.
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Yawn. It's a giant iPhone.
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Steve Jobs is a bleep scumbag.
Wow, you need to stop holding your feelings in and just TELL us what you really think! lol
(And maybe provide some details as to why you feel this way about him. Not defending him or anything, just interested..)
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Is there a reason why this douchebag's choice of clothing gets closer and closer and closer to a priest's cassock every time they trot out some overpriced, under-powered, over-hyped, under-featured toy for the latte and frappuchino set?
Oh, right. Cult leader. That look of beatific sternness on his face sort of sets the tone, doesn't it? Psh. I'm surprised there isn't a crucifix with him photoshopped on it as the desktop wallpaper on that thing.
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Wow, you need to stop holding your feelings in and just TELL us what you really think! lol
(And maybe provide some details as to why you feel this way about him. Not defending him or anything, just interested..)
Jobs is no better, and in some ways worse, than Bill Gates. On a personal and business level.
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overpriced, under-powered, over-hyped, under-featured toy
I didn't realise Hypey-ron was making an appearance.
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Wow, you need to stop holding your feelings in and just TELL us what you really think! lol
(And maybe provide some details as to why you feel this way about him. Not defending him or anything, just interested..)
I've read a lot about Steve Jobs over the years, and as one Commodore Engineer put it:
"There's nothing nasty about Bill Gates, and nothing nice about Steve Jobs"
Read up about it.
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Yeah it is quite ridiculous, but say what we want to... But Jobs is a MASTER at manipulating the media and marketing his visions...
Hyperion could use a Spin-Doctor like Jobs!
But before hyping a product Steve Jobs is also a PITA during the product development phase to get the product perfect to his requirements. Contrary to what some marketeers believe you can't hype a bad product; at least not for long.
greets,
Staf.
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Fair enough.. I truly was simply interested and since I know very little about the man I was just looking for your take on him...
Thanks!
(And I will read up on it! )
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you can't hype a bad product; at least not for long.
Really? Windows has been hyped pretty well for the last 15 years.
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Is there a reason why this douchebag's choice of clothing gets closer and closer and closer to a priest's cassock every time they trot out some overpriced, under-powered, over-hyped, under-featured toy for the latte and frappuchino set?
He looks more like Doctor No from an old James Bond movie.
The pad looks interesting though... I've wanted something like that ever since the movie "2001".
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I guess now we know why they bought PA Semi and the PWRficient CPU?
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Is it just me, or does he look a little bit ashamed of himself holding up that silly thing?
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Really? Windows has been hyped pretty well for the last 15 years.
No hype, Windows is 100% genuine.
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US $499 for a 16GB without 3G, but with Wifi. iBooks, phenomenal product, I'm in.
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IPAD is totally compatible with Wii-Fit, except that user must not weigh more than 300lbs :laughing:
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US $499 for a 16GB without 3G, but with Wifi. iBooks, phenomenal product, I'm in.
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I'm in too, especially if I can run EUAE on it and fire up AmigaOS!
Weed
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UAE's not in the App Store! http://www.apple.com/ipad/app-store/
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He looks more like Doctor No from an old James Bond movie.
The pad looks interesting though... I've wanted something like that ever since the movie "2001".
You could've bought one any time from about 1993/4 to present, you know.
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Well, it is REALLY thin. What more do you need? :)
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UAE's not in the App Store! http://www.apple.com/ipad/app-store/
That's just nuts! 140,000 apps and no Amiga emulator. It'd probably be the best/killer app on the pad! LOL
Weed
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I believe Apple has a "no emulators" clause on the iPhone App store, there was an issue trying to get a C64 emulator in there. Of course you can probably hack the device to install things like that on it, or maybe they'll be less prohibitive with the iPad.
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I hereby declare that price matrices that are composed upon a memory/storage column, total bullshit. Solid state, FLASH, or otherwise.
Memory/Storage? WTF? Memory/Storage is nothing. This matrix is back from the future, like 2001. Not 2010.
I'm in too, especially if I can run EUAE on it and fire up AmigaOS!
Weed
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Ugh what a piece of junk.... and I'm an Apple fanboy.
Can't install my own apps - I'm restricted to those Apple thinks I should be allowed to use.
Too big to carry in my pocket, and If I'm bringing a bag then my Macbook Pro's going in it, not this thing.
4:3 screen - what is this, 2003? Useless for movies.
What do they think people will want this for?
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Yawn. It's a giant iPhone.
... without the Phone...
I had been expecting an OS X tablet, this thingy is too limited in software and hardware, hate the closed approach of the iPhone.
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steve jobs is a fucking scumbag.
lol!
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Is it just me, or does he look a little bit ashamed of himself holding up that silly thing?
You are so right! :-)
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Technolgy has not advanced so much as merged. I think tablets are a good idea, but I like having a keyboard and a touch screen is Ok.. but fiddly. It's a shame most new devices are glossy looking on the outside, like a box of chocolates with very little content! :)
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Coming soon ..!
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Can't install my own apps - I'm restricted to those Apple thinks I should be allowed to use.
I don't think that's quite the case, I believe that (at least on the iPhone) if you download the SDK you can install any app you can program.
Could be wrong though.
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Yes, you can install anything you write on a limited number of devices, you just need the device id which you can get through iTunes.
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Lot of apple hate in here. 'Sfunny seeing that comment about overpricing, considering the price of stuff in the miggy world.
But really, it's a big iPhone. That's fucking dumb.
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I'll take an iPad home anytime! I currently have a WiFi Apple iPod Touch which I use to surf the web, check email and play games on. Hardly ever use it for music. I'd buy some books but it's too small to read. I think the device that should feel threatened is the Kindle. There's an ap to read Kindle books...
Not to mention I can use it as a remote for my Apple TV!!
Bob
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Especially when it's twice as powerful and half the price of a SAM.....
Lot of apple hate in here. 'Sfunny seeing that comment about overpricing, considering the price of stuff in the miggy world.
But really, it's a big iPhone. That's fucking dumb.
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You know, looking on the site it's actually really swayed me towards it, especially with iWork. This is pretty much a full computer, with all of the the BS cut out. Maybe in 20 years when the price has gone down, and power has gone up, we can all carry one instead of paper and a laptop. I don't even care if it has multitasking beyond "play music while I do X". This is what a computer should be: unintrusive as possible.
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Ugh what a piece of junk.... and I'm an Apple fanboy.
Can't install my own apps - I'm restricted to those Apple thinks I should be allowed to use.
How long before George Hotz cracks it??
It wont be that long.
Good always triumphs over evil :)
(cue piracy flaming)
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So far I've only seen emulators blocked from the iPhone. You know, I'm not really bothered by that, I can pick up a C64 for £3 at a car boot sale. And it's much more fun. Spy hunter is hard enough as it is, I don't need the scallys on the bus distracting me.
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Well, you missed the point. The point was the justification of the pricing not the price, which is typical 'got you by the balls' pricing from Apple. Put another way, what we base our prices on in front of the public.
New amiga hardware is pricey because of the low volume and high development cost for a small company (and numerous other variables) - I could understand those things...
Oh yeah, and it's not a phone.
iPad - FAIL
Lot of apple hate in here. 'Sfunny seeing that comment about overpricing, considering the price of stuff in the miggy world.
But really, it's a big iPhone. That's fucking dumb.
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That doesn't justify paying £100 for a low end computer from 1993, even if it is clean and in a box.
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That doesn't justify paying £100 for a low end computer from 1993, even if it is clean and in a box.
Hobbies require no justification.
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LOL its an Iphone with a big display and STILL NO removable media, removable battery or any thing else. Also if its a tablet PC where's the freaking pen at????? This will be a bomb worse than the cube was. It's underpowered, not innovative AT ALL and just a complete waste.
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Apple has chugged along with this midas touch of theirs. God Bless em'
No external storage, no desktop apps or OSX. Of course they're not going to make a $500 item that can compete directly with their Laptops. Or a $300 item to compete directly with their ipods.
Why would I get this over a 1st gen intel macbook? Or God forbid A PC LAPTOP.
I get the same feeling I had with the APPLE TV. It's not the best at what it's trying to do.
No matter what apple says I can run Photoshop 7 or CS1 on my netbook. I put a touchscreen in there, increased the ram to 2 gigs macosx total cost $450 almost a year ago, and I can swap out the ram, Hard drive, use expresscard cards...
even their 15"macbooks don't have such abilities.
They are appealing to folks with disposable time, and income.
Now if I can somehow use this as a second display with touch capability for my MacBook then it's worth it's value as a WACOM cintiq display (the crummy small one) costs like $1000.
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... without the Phone...
I had been expecting an OS X tablet, this thingy is too limited in software and hardware, hate the closed approach of the iPhone.
Yep. They would have had a sale right here if it ran OSX. I would have ordered it today. If some nifty programs appear I might reconsider, but I think I'll get myself a Mac Mini instead.
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Yep. They would have had a sale right here if it ran OSX. I would have ordered it today. If some nifty programs appear I might reconsider, but I think I'll get myself a Mac Mini instead.
You know the Iphone has Remot access app to access OSX and Windows PC and despiste some quirks it supposedlt works well. Now this tablet is starting to look appealing.
In my work, if I can edit video remotely, or use Zbrush or Painter/ Photoshop without LAG then we shall see. Interesting. If this works well and they tout this ability they'll have a home run.
I've never used remote desktop apps so I don't know the quirks involved.
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Add something like this to a notebook, monitor etc. You get touch screen, no multitouch.
http://www.qqq.com.au/touch-screen-notebook-p-1223.html?osCsid=add2e1bb1f758f4488ed1b551221052e
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You know the Iphone has Remot access app to access OSX and Windows PC and despiste some quirks it supposedlt works well. Now this tablet is starting to look appealing.
In my work, if I can edit video remotely, or use Zbrush or Painter/ Photoshop without LAG then we shall see. Interesting. If this works well and they tout this ability they'll have a home run.
I've never used remote desktop apps so I don't know the quirks involved.
$500 is just a little too much for a dumb terminal - and I'd still need a Mac to begin with, so it's more than double the price.
I think I see a market for this thing, but it's not me.
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My thoughts on the matter...
http://segwayne.com/featured-articles/apple-ipad-announcement/
Wayne
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I've never used remote desktop apps so I don't know the quirks involved.
Generally a bit sluggish with heavy graphical stuff.
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And from the presentation it doesn't support flash at the moment and its being touted for internet use.
Its being touted to watch videos and has 4: screen.
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OMG and it still cant do multi-tasking lol
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Let´s look at the bright side of life: At least we Amiga fans are not the only ones that are annoyed about paying too much for underpowered systems now
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Suprised bloodline not sprung to the ipads defence yet :)
iPad, someone commented they waiting for the next version with wings :)
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Suprised bloodline not sprung to the ipads defence yet :)
iPad, someone commented they waiting for the next version with wings :)
Well I'd rather spend $500 on something like the IPAD then $260 for a CPU card without a FPU card. Or a Sam.
I really appreciate Amiga Forever running on my Quad Core 3 ghz machine.
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You know I find it interesting that here is a single threaded, 1 gigahertz machine that is designed to fill a niche... NOT really designed to compete with PC's or MACs... Does not have memory protection... To fill a niche somewhere in between.. Sound familiar?
A machine that requires applications to be written specifically for it.. (Obviously not PC, MAC or Linux compatible), runs on proprietary hardware... (And I believe it is a Power architecture)
Am I the only one that thinks this sounds AMAZINGLY close to the description of what the new Amiga COULD have been? Does no one see the parallels here?
Here is a prime example of Apple brilliance.. Not the machine itself, but the background infrastructure that has allowed this machine to be feasible in the first place. (Itunes marketplace and the apps that are being written daily.)
Like the IPAD or not, like Itunes or not, the folks that masterminded the whole thing are friggin brilliant.. Given the same infrastructure and backing, the X1000 could be a huge success... Without it though, it will struggle to even reach hobbyist status...
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@outlawal2
You are right, this could have been Amiga (or AmigaOne or whatever), but it isn't, Amiga is hampered by the lack of software and the lack of a polished OS. The people who should be kicking themselves today are the folks in Redmond, they've had tablets forever they've had the financial resources and the manpower and all they've come out with is the pathetic Windows CE. Apple really understands how to make a usable device for the masses.
Even after yesterday I heard an American radio station discussing how Apple can sell this to Walmart shoppers, this isn't a device for Walmart shoppers, it's a device for the educated middle class, who will line up up long queues at the Apple store to buy this.
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You know I find it interesting that here is a single threaded, 1 gigahertz machine that is designed to fill a niche... NOT really designed to compete with PC's or MACs... Does not have memory protection... To fill a niche somewhere in between.. Sound familiar?
A machine that requires applications to be written specifically for it.. (Obviously not PC, MAC or Linux compatible), runs on proprietary hardware... (And I believe it is a Power architecture)
Am I the only one that thinks this sounds AMAZINGLY close to the description of what the new Amiga COULD have been? Does no one see the parallels here?
Here is a prime example of Apple brilliance.. Not the machine itself, but the background infrastructure that has allowed this machine to be feasible in the first place. (Itunes marketplace and the apps that are being written daily.)
Like the IPAD or not, like Itunes or not, the folks that masterminded the whole thing are friggin brilliant.. Given the same infrastructure and backing, the X1000 could be a huge success... Without it though, it will struggle to even reach hobbyist status...
The iPhone OS is just a stripped down osx and does have memory protection. And as far as I know all you really have to do to port from mac to iPhone is make a new interface in interface builder and recompile.
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@outlawal2
Even after yesterday I heard an American radio station discussing how Apple can sell this to Walmart shoppers, this isn't a device for Walmart shoppers, it's a device for the educated middle class, who will line up up long queues at the Apple store to buy this.
Apple can sell anything to anyone... Jobs is a genius, and this is his talent.
It looks almost useless for me. It´s really big, and lacks some stuff.
A Newton like device would be nice. I loved my MP2000. Right size, good idea, reliable
I've used it for a long time, but it had to be replaced by an EEE.
I just can´t figure out how Apple would battle against netbooks with this product. They are cheaper, some are faster, and they can run Windows and Linux (maybe even OS X)
Probably they will rely only on the Apple fanatics user base... and Jobs persuasive powers
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The iPad will bomb with everyone except colleges receiving kickbacks from Apple. Don't get too worked up about it yet.
Ebooks don't seem that cheap, probably because it only costs the publishers pennies to print something. (Not sure about shipping... probably 25% to the retailer).
It's prime target is Kindle so I guess you can't really complain about the OS and you can't compare it to an Amiga. Amigas still lurk around as kiosk machines or possibly a POS machine.
The ipod was different. The iphone had apps. This one doesn't seem to contribute something new so I think it will bomb.
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When is Apple releasing their new iHype machine? (OK, maybe they have.)
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The iPad will bomb with everyone except colleges receiving kickbacks from Apple. Don't get too worked up about it yet.
Ebooks don't seem that cheap, probably because it only costs the publishers pennies to print something. (Not sure about shipping... probably 25% to the retailer).
It's prime target is Kindle so I guess you can't really complain about the OS and you can't compare it to an Amiga. Amigas still lurk around as kiosk machines or possibly a POS machine.
The ipod was different. The iphone had apps. This one doesn't seem to contribute something new so I think it will bomb.
The iPad won't bomb, atleast no more than the macbook air did (i.e, be a sucsess in it's niche market.) The iPad can do pretty much everything an ipod touch can, in a size that's actually useful, and more. just wait for os 4.0, apparently apple will invent multitasking, this strange method of running multiple apps at once.
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60 Days, that's about as long as a legitimate company can go between announcement and delivery...
When is Apple releasing their new iHype machine? (OK, maybe they have.)
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60 Days, that's about as long as a legitimate company can go between announcement and delivery...
If that is true... Then where the HELL is the X1000?
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If that is true... Then where the HELL is the X1000?
Patience young padawan, patience ...
All will be revealed in the summer.
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@outlawal2
Apple really understands how to make a usable device for the masses.
lol
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this isn't a device for Walmart shoppers, it's a device for the educated middle class
Nah, Walmart is perfect for this. I guess this is teh device for the retarded who are too dumb to use a real computer but still want to take part in the latest internet hipness. You know, that type of people who will show up on failbook (http://failbook.com) sooner or later. Well, at least we will have a good laugh.
But even the retards will want to connect a USB stick, use a webcam or play mp3s while browsing the web sooner or later and will get stuck with this device. Still I bet it will be a huge success anyway, because hey - "it's very thin. And looks like this."
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I think they could be useful for specialized apps, touchscreen control panels and things. I wouldn't mind having to use one at the self-checkout lane at the supermarket to process my payment info. Probably cheaper than real point of sale equipment too. Seems kind of useless for anything else though.
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I said legitimate company, one that is real and doesn't squander publicity on products that don't quite exist....
If that is true... Then where the HELL is the X1000?
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I really doubt the X1000 could be used in supermarkets. But I concur the X1000 does look pretty useless, especially with almost no apps....
If that is true... Then where the HELL is the X1000?
I think they could be useful for specialized apps, touchscreen control panels and things. I wouldn't mind having to use one at the self-checkout lane at the supermarket to process my payment info. Probably cheaper than real point of sale equipment too. Seems kind of useless for anything else though.
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Pretty sure he was talking about using the iPad in supermarkets
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Right, iPad in supermarkets. Touchscreen display and all.
I haven't given the X1000 a thought since the day it was announced, probably.
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Pretty sure he was talking about using the iPad in supermarkets
How is it going to be used in supermarkets? This isn't a traditional computing device. EVERY app goes through apples approvals. You can't just develop an app or customize the OS for a customers needs like Linux.
I gotta hand it to them. They've vamboozled the industry into accepting their totally closed method of software and content distribution. This is like the holy grail of media companies out there. They've created the gold standard for music sales online.
Also check out the fact that they'e rolling their own CPU. Tramiel style vertical integration. But they charge as much as possible instead of competing on the lowest price, something Tramiel never achieved.
Pretty cool. As an artist this thing could be great for creative types. Artists typically spend hundreds on paints, and say...a portable french easyl. I dropped $500 for a setup in the late 90's. This thing can achieve the same outcome (painted images from life) for a one time $500 fee, (plus extra for apps) but there's no physical paint, no brushes and the messy costs associated with maintaining such a setup.... (a decent brush is $20 or more) you need 5 or 6, plus all the paint that runs out.. Do the math.
Expect art students to use these as as standard. So there you go. IT's the creative types and business types that will adopt this into a workflow and bring it home, making it's use pervasive.
Even if it has problems they can do a refresh and fix whatever is wrong and still come out golden.
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How is it going to be used in supermarkets? This isn't a traditional computing device. EVERY app goes through apples approvals.
You don't think Apple would approve point of sale type apps (or even provide a customized OS) if it'd sell a bunch of iPads to a grocery store chain? Of course this probably would never happen, as I'm sure they aren't tough enough to stand up to that kind of use...
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The folks who do those kind of retail deals make their money using off the shelf commodity hardware and a proprietary solution using linux or windows as a starting point. Look at Apple and how they do business. You think they'll be cool with someone charging top dollar using the Ipad as a platform for retail sales. HELL NO!
If I was rolling this kind of product I'd use an Archos Windows 7 ipad equivalent. At least I can install linux on that, and I get get full UESABLE pc for $50 more.
Apples kinda funny the bash the idea of a desktop OS on a pad. But folks who live in the "real world" want the power of a desktop, by power I mean SAME APPLICATIONS as a desktop running on a tablet. They say it just wouldn't work. Nonsense.... They stand to make MORE MONEY with a closed system like this.
The funny thing is the folks on the net becoming "brainwashed" into thinking they need an IPAD.
I use the common man approach. Take the thing on a commuter rail train and ask commuters what they think after using it for a few minutes.
The Amiga would never pass this test because folks would ask... "What the hell is up with the FLICKERING...? I'd never use this thing...I'll go blind!)
Someone actually said that to me when they used an A4000 demo machine at TriState computer in NYC.
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I'm happy to see Apple push the iPad. That will mean industry will answer it with one that is not crippled, unlike iPad.
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I'm happy to see Apple push the iPad. That will mean industry will answer it with one that is not crippled, unlike iPad.
Yep... This will be a great deal for artists who have been teathered to devices like the Wacom Tablet Screens for so long, So many are Mac centric already and this is a natrual for them. I mean Wacom Cintiq displays run $1000 for a 10" sceeen. That's ridculous. Now that "Lawyers" and "businessmen" will be after pad devices you can explect the cost of the tech to lower creating more ompetition. Despite the issues with the device this innovation will eb a good thing.