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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: Pyromania on April 12, 2012, 12:29:21 AM
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http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=148807
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They've actually been in deep sh*it for a while already if you think about it.
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They've actually been in deep sh*it for a while already if you think about it.
Yeah, they haven't had a decent phone, since the late 90's. They fell far behind when the "smart phones" came out.
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I really don't like this Metro interface, makes it look like it was made for kids ;)
They've already rolled it out to XBOX and Windows is next up for the 'kiddy look'
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The future of Windows, ladies and gentlemen!
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Yeah, they haven't had a decent phone, since the late 90's. They fell far behind when the "smart phones" came out.
I disagree. The N8 is a better phone and Symbian Belle is a much better OS than Android, IOS or Windows Phone 7. They fell behind in apps due to them dragging their feet getting Symbian^3 and QT for mobile out and functional.
I'll be keeping my N8 until it dies. The current crop of "smart phones" are horrible. In some cases (iOS and WP7) my old Sony Walkman "feature phone" had more features, including multitasking.
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I had an N95 8gb and I loved that phone. Had a solid music player, felt nice in the hand, screen size was great, could handle day to day web browsing alright and battery seemed decent.
Then I got the touchscreen phone that came out about a year later and it sucked. Kind of miss the N95 8gb.
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iOS has multitasking
I had been a massive Nokia fan since the 90s. However symbian fell well behind, maemo was a joke and did meego ever get a release.
Having used all mobile OS, I really can not fault in any way iOS and an iPhone4. And I am far far far from an apple fan boy.
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I had an N95 8gb and I loved that phone. Had a solid music player, felt nice in the hand, screen size was great, could handle day to day web browsing alright and battery seemed decent.
Then I got the touchscreen phone that came out about a year later and it sucked. Kind of miss the N95 8gb.
I loved my N95 but then I used a decent touchcreen with good browser
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I bought a Nokia 500 a couple weeks ago and run Symbian belle on it.. for 150 euros I think the phone is just fine.
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Yeah, they haven't had a decent phone, since the late 90's. They fell far behind when the "smart phones" came out.
No, they have pioneered the smartphones with Symbian, in fact first smartphone was Nokia 7650 with early Symbian.
Problem is they have sticked to Symbian when Android arrived, didn`t get the licence and boop - in two years Samsung and new players like HTC have "eaten the market out".
Pitty knowing Nokia was a name for easy use, reliability and support. And now they have to do Windows Phones.
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The future of Windows, ladies and gentlemen!
Not unless my 40 XP Pro licenses get stolen from my house :lol:
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http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=148807
Nokia is still in business??
Rich
ny
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maemo was a joke
Maemo on my N900 works well enough. Could be better (and Meego definitely is), but then again, N900 has an actual physical keyboard... :hammer:
and did meego ever get a release.
Yes, it was released with "announced-to-be-last" N9. Which is rather fine piece of hardware. Except for the lack of keyboard, of course.
Some even think it might have sold more than Windows Phone (note, platform, not "Nokia Windows Phone" products)
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/01/how-many-lumia-sales-as-nokia-and-microsoft-ashamed-to-reveal-number-lets-count-and-compare-to-n9-me.html
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Of course, N9 was not released at all in some lesser markets such as United States, United Kingdom and Germany, while concentrating in the most important markets, such as Luxemburg.
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Not unless my 40 XP Pro licenses get stolen from my house :lol:
Heh, true that...come the end of active support, I'm making a fresh install, getting all the updates, and then imaging it for future use...
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I think I found the problem:
...new Windows Phone-powered...
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They should ditch Elop, continue with Meego but keep the Windows Phone smartphones in their line up. In certain European countries, Lumia 800 manage to even outsell iPhone 4S, so it's not a lost cause.
I do think, however, that their Win 8 tablet will probably sell extremely well.
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I guess they just try for the toy/kiddy design. It worked well for Apple, ever since they made computers look like toys, their sales went up.
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Nokia is still in business??
Probably because of the $44 million that Microsoft gave them for marketing.
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Does any of this have anything to do with Amiga's?
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Maemo on my N900 works well enough. Could be better (and Meego definitely is), but then again, N900 has an actual physical keyboard... :hammer:
Yes, it was released with "announced-to-be-last" N9. Which is rather fine piece of hardware. Except for the lack of keyboard, of course.
Some even think it might have sold more than Windows Phone (note, platform, not "Nokia Windows Phone" products)
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/01/how-many-lumia-sales-as-nokia-and-microsoft-ashamed-to-reveal-number-lets-count-and-compare-to-n9-me.html
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Of course, N9 was not released at all in some lesser markets such as United States, United Kingdom and Germany, while concentrating in the most important markets, such as Luxemburg.
I loved my n900 they just dropped support too soon. Meego was looking good but then they stopped the official launch for the n900
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Does any of this have anything to do with Amiga's?
No, luckily it is "Other Operating Systems" though, so it's okay.
Though the Amiga did have AmigaBASIC which was Microsoft BASIC.
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Does any of this have anything to do with Amiga's?
Maybe not now but in the near future when Nokia go bankrupt as Commodore, her fans will be in the same situation. ;)
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I'm stuck with T-Mobile for another year, so I picked up a Nokia Lumia 710 to replace my crappy Samsung Vibrant stuck on Android 2.2. The first and biggest thing I will say is, there's no "useful" apps on WP7.5 like there are on Android (or iOS). However, once I got past that for the first week or two, I've actually found the thing to be better in a few ways:
1) The OS is constantly responsive, no stuttering like I experience with Android, comparing even to a Tegra 2 tablet running ICS / 4.0.
2.) GPS locks on instantly - a huge issue with the Vibrant, and apparently still an issue with select Samsung Galaxy devices)
3.) Battery life is awesome, can easily go over 36 hours of mild to medium usage, again compared to my Vibrant that lasts about only 18 hours.
4.) On the fly locational searches work well - It passed the "girlfriend" test in finding the phone number to the corner pizza shop. Android would pull up a browser with a whole lot of links to click; Windows Phone brought up something similar to a contact list (even though they were not in my contacts), displaying addresses and phone numbers. Definitely a much cleaner solution when you're looking for contact info.
Overall, I'm impressed with it, but the platform really needs more developers to port their apps over from Android or iOS.
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I loved my n900 they just dropped support too soon.
That I agree with..
Still have my Nokia 770, which is fun.
At half the speed, it still feels faster than my Android tablet.
Tablet's a bit better for reading tho.. ;-)
desiv
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I'm stuck with T-Mobile for another year, so I picked up a Nokia Lumia 710 to replace my crappy Samsung Vibrant stuck on Android 2.2. The first and biggest thing I will say is, there's no "useful" apps on WP7.5 like there are on Android (or iOS). However, once I got past that for the first week or two, I've actually found the thing to be better in a few ways:
1) The OS is constantly responsive, no stuttering like I experience with Android, comparing even to a Tegra 2 tablet running ICS / 4.0.
2.) GPS locks on instantly - a huge issue with the Vibrant, and apparently still an issue with select Samsung Galaxy devices)
3.) Battery life is awesome, can easily go over 36 hours of mild to medium usage, again compared to my Vibrant that lasts about only 18 hours.
4.) On the fly locational searches work well - It passed the "girlfriend" test in finding the phone number to the corner pizza shop. Android would pull up a browser with a whole lot of links to click; Windows Phone brought up something similar to a contact list (even though they were not in my contacts), displaying addresses and phone numbers. Definitely a much cleaner solution when you're looking for contact info.
Overall, I'm impressed with it, but the platform really needs more developers to port their apps over from Android or iOS.
At long last, an objective look at Nokia/WP. Sigh... Thanks!
Having one, I have to agree it's responsive (though although the OS is extremly fluid & responsive, this cannot be said of a lot of third party apps unfortunately) and lacks some good apps (it's not about the number, they should let this to Google&Apple, but about having the necessary good apps...)
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Does any of this have anything to do with Amiga's?
Not really. Which is probably why it's in the "Other Operating Systems" section ;-)
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Not really. Which is probably why it's in the "Other Operating Systems" section ;-)
I know, I understand that. I'd just like to see more Amiga threads on amiga.org as recently it seems a bit lost to me.
Never mind... I'll survive! :crazy:
I have a Nokia 2310 btw. It can't even manage snake without slowing down. LOL
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(http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/files/2011/09/79702110.jpg)
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@persia
what do you want to say with this picture?
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http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/samsung-ends-nokias-14year-reign-as-king-of-mobiles-20120413-1wx8v.html (http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/samsung-ends-nokias-14year-reign-as-king-of-mobiles-20120413-1wx8v.html)
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Nokia N9 cant be that bad:
Sat, 24.03.12
Amiga Tracker music support for Harmattan
Tracker Music Support by Kaj-Michael Lang adds support for playing tracker music files with the built-in music player of the Nokia N9 / N950: Amiga .MOD files, ScreamTracker .S3M files, Impulse Tracker .IT files, Fast Tracker 2 .XM files and all other formats supported by libmodplug.
I WANT TOO!!!!
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@persia
what do you want to say with this picture?
I'm taking it as "Nokia is like a decrepit old woman ready to keel over."
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Nokia N9 cant be that bad:
I WANT TOO!!!!
I have one, and it's awesome! All the little tweaks and hacks people are making for it simply rock.
Though in a comparison between my N900 and my N9, I'd have to say it's like the difference between the Amiga and Windows. In that with the Amiga there are all sorts of little hacks and tweaks that you need to get it to be perfect. The N9 is more closed off, so you can't tweak it as much, and it seems to be more 'commercial' than the N900.
Perfect example are the 'Applications' that are free and open source on the N900 are generally for .99 on the ovi store under the N9. Though some of this is because the developers simply want donations and there are other methods (the repositories on the net) to get the same programs for free.
I kind of prefer this method.
The best thing about both of them though as that you can develop for either (plus Linux and Windows) with the Qt SDK.
Elop basically screwed every Nokia fan over with the 'burning platform' memos, then his announcement only 6 or so months after Nokia had announced their MeeGo plans with Intel and the Linux Foundation.
They had something going with MeeGo+Qt, but Microsoft had to screw it up like they do with everything else in the industry. Well, now Nokia is burning because they went with WP7, and Microsoft has outright stated that WP7 is not upgradeable to WP8. So much for the 'burning platform' eh?
slaapliedje
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They had something going with MeeGo+Qt, but Microsoft had to screw it up like they do with everything else in the industry. Well, now Nokia is burning because they went with WP7, and Microsoft has outright stated that WP7 is not upgradeable to WP8. So much for the 'burning platform' eh?
slaapliedje
To be honest I personally think that Windows 8 and WP8 will be successful products. I haven't tried developer preview yet (nor will I) but my understanding is that the APPS will be cross platform when based on the Metro Interface.
The reasoning behind thinking that this platform will be a success is because of the integration between the phone and the desktop. Now it will of course be useful to work on something in an APP and then head home for the day and work on it on the subway on a Win8 tablet or Win8 phone. This would be great to be able to just blast through stuff without having to worry about transferring files from one device to another.
This will not be the reason for it's success. If Windows8 is to be a success it will be because people are able to play "Draw Something" on their desktop, and then pick up the game on their phone after when they are waiting for their food at the restaurant. If Win8 is able to allow people to play their stupid games on a desktop platform, and then allow them to play the same game with the same account on another device the platform will succeed hands down, no problem. The only thing people care about are silly flash/HTML5/java games.
Think of the popularity of Angry Birds and Farmville. Letting people do this EASILY will be the only selling feature that Windows needs. Stupid but it is likely to be the case.
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The problem with that line of thinking is that a huge majority of Microsoft's profits are from corporations. No sane IT guy is going to be using Windows 8. Then again, there are morons like the Windows Administrator that I work with that will probably want to use it.
Then again, this is the same guy who, when explained to him that he needed to run some virus scans on a particular person's workstation after I had discovered some suspect emails originating from said workstation stated "but he wasn't even here Friday."
Seriously, this man should be put on trial for being dangerously idiotic.
slaapliedje
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The other problem with that line of thinking is that Microsoft, in attempting to enter the phone/tablet market, is going up against two well-established competitors, both of whom have more experience with it and are just plain likely to be better at it than them. Android and iOS dominate the market; what the hell is Microsoft going to offer that would sway someone to abandon their existing tablet or smartphone for a glorified Windows Phone 7 (which, I'm pretty certain, has less market share than VTech "learning computer" tablets)?
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Maybe some of the folks over at XDA could port Android to the N9 and make it usable...
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@persia
Better meego than more scum from google.
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Heh, true that...come the end of active support, I'm making a fresh install, getting all the updates, and then imaging it for future use...
To be fair as long as latest emulators run on XP it works great for me. Unless I'm rendering frames for a HD movie 32bit OS is plenty fast enough too.
That 17gb saved in space can hold my ADFs and magazine scans :)
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The other problem with that line of thinking is that Microsoft, in attempting to enter the phone/tablet market, is going up against two well-established competitors, both of whom have more experience with it and are just plain likely to be better at it than them. Android and iOS dominate the market; what the hell is Microsoft going to offer that would sway someone to abandon their existing tablet or smartphone for a glorified Windows Phone 7 (which, I'm pretty certain, has less market share than VTech "learning computer" tablets)?
They bankrolled their way into the console market so they can only be trying it with Win phones.
However Microsoft will still fail, everyone loves Google and Apple is like a religion....kids will not seek out the M$ brand of phone OS as it's pure geek brand and offers nothing significantly better.
Funny because that's the struggle an x86 Amiga OS would face in mass market.
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How many of you actually has a Lumia?
I have and I'm very pleaset to it and Lumia users are generally pleased to their phones.
We need to also remember that there is only 2 models out currently.
BIGEST mistake was when Elop said that Symbian is dead a year ago. Yes it is prety much dead, but it is different thing to say it and still to try sell phones with it.
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BIGEST mistake was when Elop said that Symbian is dead a year ago. Yes it is prety much dead, but it is different thing to say it and still to try sell phones with it.
The biggest mistake was to use crappy Symbian in the first place. Nokia should have abandonded Symbian many years ago... now they are declining to oblivion like Ericsson did.
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@kickstart Meego is dead, it's successor Tizen was still born. If I wanted an OS for my phone that had no apps and no future it would be hard to choose between WP and Tizen... The smartphone market is divided between Android and iOS.
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There is a version of android for both the n900 and the iphone :)
Windows 8 on tablets actually looks pretty good.
Desktop version dont have to use metro and from what I have read there have been some pretty big improvements in response times and the overall speed of the OS
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Microsoft will not lose corporate customers because of Win8, as there is no realistic alternative to Windows.
But what about Linux? Or MacOS? Or ChromeBook?
Well I run a business, what is my opinion?
The software I need only runs on Windows. My POS system, inventory management system are Windows only. If I wanted Linux POS software I would need to go open source. Not really an option as the solutions are garbage pre alpha software that is unusable in the real world.
Maybe Win8 will not appeal to businesses like Vista did not. No matter they will buy Win7. Anyone who has used Win7 will see that it is a fine OS. I was surprised at how good it was to be honest. Strange that a MS OS is so good.
As for the market competition and such. MS already has won the console wars against Sony and Nintendo. I love my Wii but the 360 is a better unit, disregarding early RROD problems (I have the slim). Hardcore console gamers will buy the next XBOX as well, Kinect is better than the Wii & PS move anyways. So if MS can win the console wars it is not impossible to imagine they will have success in the phone industry. Perhaps the premium phones will be Apple and Android but the entry level phones will probably start to be Win phones, and to be honest my parents and grandmother would be better served with a Win7 phone than Android or iPhone due to it's ease of use.
This is my take on the matter. Geeks/power users will get Android phones, hipsters, 20-30 year old women and iSheeple will get iPhones, 12 year olds and tech un-savy 50+ year olds will get Win8 phones. In fact MS/Nokia should just go ahead and start bundling the phone with free software like they do with the XBOX, buy this phone and get Free Angry Birds Premium & Draw Something. People really are dumb enough to buy something based on that.
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Desktop version dont have to use metro and from what I have read there have been some pretty big improvements in response times and the overall speed of the OS
Could someone confirm or deny this? Everything I've read says you don't have to use Metro software and can switch to a loosely desktop-ish environment, but you're still stuck with the Start screen and the desktop in general's been nerfed.
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Could someone confirm or deny this? Everything I've read says you don't have to use Metro software and can switch to a loosely desktop-ish environment, but you're still stuck with the Start screen and the desktop in general's been nerfed.
As I understand it, the Desktop is only for legacy apps... New apps are expected to use Metro... But it is developers choice which interface they choose to support...
If the App you really want to use was written to use metro... You are going to have to use Metro.
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Could someone confirm or deny this? Everything I've read says you don't have to use Metro software and can switch to a loosely desktop-ish environment, but you're still stuck with the Start screen and the desktop in general's been nerfed.
The desktop is there, the start menu has been replaced with a start screen however. Here is the start screen that you bring up by moving the mouse to the corner where the start button used to be. http://i.imgur.com/DGQsa.png
You can pin apps to the taskbar that are frequently used and never have to use the metro interface other than to use in-frequently used programs.
I am not a fan of losing the start button, I predict there will be a skin or utility released seconds after the win8 launch to put the start menu back.
Metro is kind of silly, I hope serious applications do not use it. I know that the software I use will not transition to metro since the software is written (and still being maintained surprisingly) with 14 year old IDE. Though I do not get the updates, the old software still works.
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Why don't people just try W8 consumer preview in a VM rather than spread FUD about it, lol.
You aren't forced into anything, really.
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I am not a fan of losing the start button, I predict there will be a skin or utility released seconds after the win8 launch to put the start menu back.
There already has been for the Developer Preview, but Microsoft disabled it for the Consumer Preview. Says a lot, really.
Metro is kind of silly, I hope serious applications do not use it. I know that the software I use will not transition to metro since the software is written (and still being maintained surprisingly) with 14 year old IDE. Though I do not get the updates, the old software still works.
That's the real question...Microsoft are certainly pushing the idea of Metro as The Future Of Windows, and they're trying to force the issue by allowing only Metro software in the Windows Store, but unless they go so far as to disable desktop software in future updates, it's going to come down to whether developers feel like learning a whole new UI that it's not even certain people will want...
Why don't people just try W8 consumer preview in a VM rather than spread FUD about it, lol.
Because not all of us have decent hardware for running VMs? I mean, I could try running Bochs on my Eee, but with the performance I'd get I might get all of halfway through the install process before giving up...
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There already has been for the Developer Preview, but Microsoft disabled it for the Consumer Preview. Says a lot, really.
To be fair they probably disabled it because they want people to try out the new system, to get feedback. I suppose the feedback is get rid of this stupidness from tech savvy folk.
People do not like change, I am a person and I do not like change either. Apparently people are mad at MS for changing the XBOX360 GUI into Metro like. I have not used an XBOX in a while and can't remember what the old system looked like so I can't judge whether or not it is worse than the old system. As someone who has only used the new interface I must say that it is very intuitive, to me at least. I can launch Apps I want in seconds (I don't play many games, mostly I use it to watch online video) and my 3 year old daughter is able to start Netflix by herself if I take too long to do it for her. So I'd say an interface that can be used by children and a 30 something year old woman with relative ease is not thaaat bad.
The only problem I ever had with windows was that I run a slew of applications. My start menu in XP has ~90 entries, it will not necessarily be a bad thing to sort them out, which is basically what metro does.
That being said I will probably install the Start Menu hack/theme/utility because like I said I do not like change. On my children's computer I will leave it alone, my unit will have a Windows 2000 theme.
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Maybe some of the folks over at XDA could port Android to the N9 and make it usable...
The NITdroid group is already working on it.
slaapliedje
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@kickstart Meego is dead, it's successor Tizen was still born. If I wanted an OS for my phone that had no apps and no future it would be hard to choose between WP and Tizen... The smartphone market is divided between Android and iOS.
Odd, I go to the Ovi Store and there are quite a lot of Apps for it. EA even ported The Sims 3 for it.
I love my N9, and a co-worker really wants one too, but he wants the 64GB version like I have, but doesn't want to spend the 600 or so for it.
It's a sweet phone, and I'm still debating whether I want to bother putting Android on it. Majority of Android 'Apps' that I've seen are worthless to me.
slaapliedje
Additionally, they already have an Amiga emulator running on it too :D
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http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=148807
Considering the state of their latest "update" to Symbian, "belle", they are likely to take another dump there too, "anna" was much better, and better organised, "belle" seems to be an attempt to simplify the design, but in the process they dumbed it down and tried to make it like "every other" phone OS. I regret the day i opted to "update" my E7 to "belle" ;/
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Well, now Nokia is burning because they went with WP7, and Microsoft has outright stated that WP7 is not upgradeable to WP8. So much for the 'burning platform' eh?
I actually dont understand the problem with WP7 phones not being able to upgrade to WP8. New phones will run WP8.. WP8 can run WP7 apps. Old phones will be upgraded to WP7.8. When WP7 people get new phones they will buy a WP8 phone and run their old WP7 apps on the WP8 phone.
Sure... they wont be able to run WP8 apps on their WP7 phones. But I have a hard time believing that there wont be people developing new apps for WP7... since it dosent matter if they make them WP7 apps. They will still run on WP8.
And the last WP7 phones to be released is about now... and it is at least 4-6 months left until WP8 is released. So when it is released peoples phones will be some 3-5 months old. How often do people get new phones these days? Every 12-24 months? At least the ones I know get new phones almost every year. So if you have to run a "old" OS for 12-24 months, is that really so horrible?
I have a 2 year old HTC Desire. It still runs Android 2.3. I cant run Android 4.x specific apps on it. But most apps that is released is still release with the 2.x API. But I'll have to get a new phone if I want to use the new version of the OS and run those apps...
... Thats the exact same things as WP7 users will experience.
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Heh, true that...come the end of active support, I'm making a fresh install, getting all the updates, and then imaging it for future use...
I think XP will get owned in a million ways within say 6 months of security patches ceasing to be produced. It's easily the most popular version of Windows and XP piracy is widespread worldwide. It'll be such an easy target for malware/exploit writers.
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Yeah, there's probably six legal copies of XP left, they should rename it Windows Pirate Edition..
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Yeah, there's probably six legal copies of XP left, they should rename it Windows Pirate Edition..
I think I have one lying around somewhere, unused from a PC purchase that I put linux on.
Maybe I should donate it to science or something?
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Yeah, there's probably six legal copies of XP left, they should rename it Windows Pirate Edition..
Says a lot that with two newer versions, eleven years later, it's still one of the most-pirated OSes...
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well, it helps that it will run on a wide range of hardware once you can find drivers.
7 is a lot more particular about older hardware, and in a lot of corners of the world, that's a big deal.
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Junk always seems to collect in corners.
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Meego is not dead yet.
Some ex Nokia cell phone guys carry the torch forward:
http://liliputing.com/2012/07/meego-isnt-dead-yet-jolla-plans-to-launch-smartphone-with-meego-software.html
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Lumia users are pleased their phones
http://www.wpcentral.com/96-users-satisfied-att-nokia-lumia-900-new-nielsen-study
I'm one of them. Phone is really fast, wich is very pleased suprice