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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: odin on June 05, 2004, 05:25:47 PM
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I've spotted a neat little Dreamcast on EBay which is atm going quite cheaply with 1 day to go.
I'd like to know what the going rate for a Dreamcast/controller/several game usually is. Round the 50EUR mark?
And what the heck is a 'Dreamkey' ?
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Can you run Linux and WinUAE on it ???
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I think so......
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you can run linux on dreamcast - nothing fancy though, too slow to be usable and no ram left after boot up
its biggest attraction as a console atm is that it is the only reasonably specced console that sports a cd-rom (dubbed GD-ROM because it supports larger capacities) - which enables the average user to just burn software and play around with it..
some its games are amazing, even by todays standards
it would make a good candidate for UAE, but noone has ported it yet. Having said that a bunch of guys over at
www.dcemu.co.uk have recently announced (about a month ago) that they are working on a universal M68000-compatible emulator to support software from Amiga 500s, Atari STs and early Macintoshes...whether this materialises we will have to wait and see
There was someone here a while ago that claimed to have booted Workbench on dreamcast, or was it PS2?
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Dreamcast.... :-? :cry: :pissed:
*sigh*
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They're quite nice little machines, 200MHz & 16Mb of memory. Dream Key is a disk for the old web browser - unfortunately it's locked into their (discontinued) phone numbers ... it was quite usable with a mouse & keyboard :-)
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Any way to hook an ethernet port to em?
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I have the disk for the Dreamcast web browser, the disk is from 1999, and it lets me configure my own ISP. I remember setting it up for mine and then a friend's up north so I could check my e-mail.
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Yes a very good machine esp games such as shenmue 1&2,headhunter aswell as all the rest.Yes i had freeserve isp running through the sega dreamkey disk and worked well for me until my amiga was ready as that was all i had for the net.
I used mine so much that it burnt out lol but i bought another from a shop for £25 which was a bargain since i bought the first one brand new when it came out.But yeah great machines....
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AFAIK there were 2 versions of "DreamKey"
The PAL UK version didnt allow you to change the settings, whereas the US version of the same disk did! Roll on Chu Chu rocket via NTLworld :-)
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The uk version was able to have your settings for your isp as i have the disk.If i remember correct it was dreamkey 3 which was the last version and you had to order online from sega europe..So yes the uk version could be configured..
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I had DreamKey 1.5, IIRC in the UK you had a choice of 2 numbers or something, but it had to go through Sega's server.
They came with a 33.6k modem as standard, but in Japan a handful of Ethernet cards were sold (ultra rare now). They also had a serial port with a proprietary plug, with some games capable of linkup.
There were some very good games, and 50 Es for a working one with some games is about right.
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It was a free disk for the last remaning users of the dreamcast before sega shut down its dreamcast chat rooms in feb 2003.
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Any way to hack a harddisk or something to these? I saw something about Sega planned on doing a ZIP drive for it....?
(I'm thinking noiseless (?) MP3 player/DivX player et al here :-)).
What about the copying possibilities for it, it uses some weird 1,2 gig CD-ROM format or something?
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Yeah there is mp3 players on it and i think mpg player also???Quake 1 and half life are also around there on the net.
Its emulation of sega megadrive/genesis is pretty good also but mame just kills it really.
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Just as amigean wrote it uses a gd rom but you can burn cd roms and they run fine on it..
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You need the Euphoria boot CD rom to play backup disks (legal ones only of course), im not sure if you need it to play the MPEG players that are out there.
IIRC didnt the Euphoria disk have a mirror spinning raindeer in it?
LoL!
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According to Wikipedia very late Dreamcasts were unable to boot 'custom' CD's, i.e. when they realised they were losing a lot to piracy.
Is this true? Do late Dreamcasts need to be 'modded'?
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Back in 2002 whether there are some dreamcasts that CAN'T play copied games had been a subject of controversy in the dreamcast community . There was a lot of people that claimed all dreamcasts can play any cd-rom you can throw at them and another lot of people claiming that they were sure they have seen dreamcasts that have some mysterious copy-lock.
To my recollection, the debate lasted a while, but no conclusive proof was ever presented that in fact there are DCs that are copy-locked. :-?
So chances are that if they do exist they are extremely rare. I have owned three of them (bought in two different countries) and all of them have been able to boot off and play normal CD-Rs.
-With regards to the sega web browser - let's say it was never the best, it just got the job done.
Recently, a bunch of nice people came up with a homebrew internet solution for the dreamcast, incl. browser, irc client and maybe more (I never got the time to try it).
It is called "psilocybindreams" and you can donwload an iso of it from http://www.psilocybindreams.com/ (totally legal)
You can find other interesting freeware games, emulators (ScummVM, SNES, Genesis, GBA etc) in the following websites:
http://www.dcemulation.com/
http://www.dreamcast-scene.com/
For some weird reason (probably to do with overcoming GD-rom sensitivities) you'll have to use a pc cd-burning software called "Diskjuggler"
Oh and a bit of advice, burn all your CDs at low speeds (x2-x8). Dreamcasts can be picky with data-error prone CD-Rs (which is what happens when you burn a CD at a speed say >x24)
I'm no big fan of DC but my 5 y.o. brother really appreciates it. :lol:
I hope this helps!
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Dreamcast - the most fun, fantastic games console to emerge from the last 5 years.
I bought mine in March 2001 just after Sega stopped producing them, thinking it would still have a nice future of software, sort of like the Amiga did when Commodore went.. but I was wrong. 18 months later there were no new UK releases, the Dreamcast as terms of new softwsare went was dead.
However, some of the most fun gaming experiences I've had have been on that console, and there are still some amazing games out for it, and yes, even th graphics can appear amazing after all this time.
You can play copied software on it without any modifications to the console.
Both additional hardware and software is cheap as chips, thanks to it not being a mainstream console anymore.
All Dreamcasts came with Dreamkey, Internet browsing software, and built in 56k modem. With a cheap Dreamcast keyboard and mouse you have a good games machine and virus free web surfing machine. albeit a slow internet machine thanks to the modem.
Despite the default format for software being GD (Gigabyte Disk), endorsed only through Sega, copied games usually get crammed onto CD-R's. Because these games are no longer made, it doesnt really matter about piracy. With some experience I have had, copied games sometimes miss out levels or FMV scenes so they can fit on a disk. But I didn't really find this too bad of a problem.
I stupidly sold my Dreamcast in early 2002 after getting a PlayStation 2. I regret it to hell now, it was much more fun. The Dreamcast had better graphics imho, much sharper and more vibrant. The PS2 had more power, software and a bright future, but my experience has proved to me that doesn't really mean anything. If I had the choice now, I would have kept the Dreamcast. Sometimes I think about getting another one again.
I sold my Dreamcast in early 2002 for £120 with about 10 games, some demos and some copies and magazines..
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Hasn't there been some new games published in SouthEast Asia?
I've got the 'Blaze' MP3 player/cheat black CD, it works ok. I've also got Wolfenstein burnt, and it works ok. I thought any CD burning program should make all ISO images the same (?) I did Wolfenstein on Nero, but it's only one floppies worth :-)
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Yes but I was talking about in the UK :-)
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Sonic Team (Sega) released a special edition of PuyoPuyo for Dreamcast a few months ago, and there are still some third party companies creating JP releases. Also, a homebrew recently became a commercial title. There is still a bit of life left in the old girl, and with a boot disk--one could catch some nifty re-releases coming out of Japan.
I've used several of the emulators for the DC, and have been pleased. Since I'm big into fansub anime stuff, DCDivX is my preferred method of getting digisubs to the television. (The big thing on fansubs is to remember to STOP distribution if a title becomes licenced! It's the golden rule.) DCDivX is great, since a thirty minute animation can be squeezed down to ~60M. With the player, boot images stuff, and menu art--the disk can usually hold about 4.5 - 5.5 hours of video on a regular 700M CDR!
Finally, there is a VERY NICE zone-free VCD player (includes mp3 player) with remote for the dreamcast (commercial).
The Dreamcast is this generation's Amiga. (Died before it's time, and has a strong loyal following that will not let it just vanish.)
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just a small correction, u can burn dc images on AMIGA and u dont need a pc for it.
i use my a1200 to burn bootable iso\s , and i can fix non bootable ones into bootable by generating a new track in the respected regions on the cd, basic stuff and im sure everyone here can do it.
a small note is that u will need fryingpan asmakecd seems to be rather ignorant against dc, burnit works ok'ish but sadly not good enough.
check out the sourceforge tool called CDTOOLS and check out FRYINGPAN ....
btw,,DC ROXX
ps:propeller arena and ikaruga and puyo puyo fever is the latest commercial titles that i know of, non commercials ones that i like is "beats of rage" and ALICE is quite good too..
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Wow,
I think I have to be the biggest dreamcast fan ever! :-D
As of today I am amazed how Soul Calibur was made possible on the dreamcast. Gfx are just killer amazing! :-)
But enough of my blabbing.. Dreamcast's are usually under $50 each anymore. Definately worth the money if your looking for a few fun games or are just curious of them.
I currenly play Phantasy Star Online for the PC 'ONLINE'
*Yes, for those of you who dont know, SCHTHACK made his own private servers and works great. :-D *
But I also want the Dreamcast version of PSO because you can play it online along with PC users. THere is a bit trick behind it for the dreamcast, but its possible..
Broadband adapters go for a ridiculous prices right now since they are near impossible to find, but if you are hardcore enough and really need it, then it would be worth buying.
Dreamcast lived its life, but to me, it still rules any other console. :-P
Cheers@
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kd7ota wrote:
Wow,
I think I have to be the biggest dreamcast fan ever! :-D
As of today I am amazed how Soul Calibur was made possible on the dreamcast. Gfx are just killer amazing! :-)
But enough of my blabbing.. Dreamcast's are usually under $50 each anymore. Definately worth the money if your looking for a few fun games or are just curious of them.
I currenly play Phantasy Star Online for the PC 'ONLINE'
*Yes, for those of you who dont know, SCHTHACK made his own private servers and works great. :-D *
But I also want the Dreamcast version of PSO because you can play it online along with PC users. THere is a bit trick behind it for the dreamcast, but its possible..
Broadband adapters go for a ridiculous prices right now since they are near impossible to find, but if you are hardcore enough and really need it, then it would be worth buying.
Dreamcast lived its life, but to me, it still rules any other console. :-P
Cheers@
Absolutely!!!!
:pint:
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kd7ota wrote:
...As of today I am amazed how Soul Calibur was made possible on the dreamcast. Gfx are just killer amazing! :-)...
I couldn't agree more. I remember seeing the arcade machine and thinking Wow thats in low resolution! They could actually make the DC version with IMPROVED graphics! That impressed me immediately about the DC. I still impress other people with the gfx in that game. When I bought my DC I also bought Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur, a 2nd controller and a VMU. Those VMUs are another story altogether, what a great idea! About a year ago I picked up Phantasy Star online from a used software store here in town for $8! I remember paying $40 for the original Crazy Taxi, but paying $5 for Crazy Taxi 2 at walmart in their bargain bin. It sucks so much that the console's life was truncated so quickly when you think the Sega Genesis (Mega Drive to some of you :-) ) lasted about 8-9 years. I remember games for it coming out as early as 1988 and late as 1997. That won't happen any more I bet!
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What's the usual res for games on this thing btw? 640*4xx ?
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Are there any issues getting a unit from the USA (other than NTSC, I've got an NTSC capable TV). Is the PSU integrated in the thing? Are they both 220V/110V compatible?
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@Odin
Nice move son. The Dreamcast is a great machine. I have one with Shenmue 1 & 2, Dead or Alive 2, Quake 3, Sonic Adventure 2, Soul Calibur & Virtua Tennis 2, Sega Smash Pack Vol 1 & Sports Jam... All fantastic games. Other good uns I have are House of the Dead 2, Jet Set Radio, Le Mans 24 Hours.
I got Joypads on eBay for around £15-£20 a pair iirc.
I've heard that you can get an ethernet adaptor to replace the modem but it's VERY rare. I haven't got a clue where you can get hold of one & if tyou do find one. I doubt it'll be cheap.
FuZion.
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Here's (http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4303&item=8109787156&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW) an ethernet adapter at 30 pounds with 5 days to go :-o.
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You little bugger,
I was hoping to not spend any more money this month. D'oh!
FuZion.
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Yea,
It was too bad that the dreamcast had to go down, but no worries though, I like to go to Electronics Boutique and buy the Dreamcast games there. They are still ranging from $5-$15. Yea, you can download the games and still play them, but you gotta keep in mind that it STRESSES THE LENS. :-) So when possible, just buy the Original copies. :-D
Yea, i am also considering trying to get a hold of a broadband adapter. I just want to play PSO,but then if there are other neat tricks you can do, then I would also do that. Just hope I run into one in person. :-D
Whatever you do, just get it and be happy. Dreamcast still has lots of great games and still will be awsome. :-D
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@Fuzion
Not sure if your remember me, but im that person in IRC many months back in the name of DOFFO..... Does it ring a bell? :-)
If not, sorry, I just have been busy too much to be on IRC lately. 8-)
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Hehe,
Hi Doffo. Yeah, it's the same me :-)
FuZion.
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http://bringbackdc.tripod.com
;-)
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Watch out EBayers....
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Bah, it went over my budget....
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Oh flip ... my DC has decided to just keep resetting itself (cue the blue wiggle going over and over). Guess I'll be stripping it down again, hope I don't need another one - had this one since '99!
Oh, and my top 5 DC games:
5. Tokyo Highway Challenge 2 (finished!)
4. Soul Caliber (didn't get far, but 2 player fun aplenty))
3. Crazy Taxi 1 (Managed over 10k in both modes)
2. Quake 3 (got to last level)
1. Metropolis Street Racer (finished!)
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Holley wrote:
http://bringbackdc.tripod.com
;-)
Everyone should sign this!!!
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Holley wrote:
Oh flip ... my DC has decided to just keep resetting itself (cue the blue wiggle going over and over). Guess I'll be stripping it down again, hope I don't need another one - had this one since '99!
Oh, and my top 5 DC games:
5. Tokyo Highway Challenge 2 (finished!)
4. Soul Caliber (didn't get far, but 2 player fun aplenty))
3. Crazy Taxi 1 (Managed over 10k in both modes)
2. Quake 3 (got to last level)
1. Metropolis Street Racer (finished!)
My friends Dreamcast did that, and my other friends.
They are not the most reliable of things, granted.
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Oh flip ... my DC has decided to just keep resetting itself (cue the blue wiggle going over and over). Guess I'll be stripping it down again, hope I don't need another one - had this one since '99!
It's a common problem with the first batch of Dreamcasts which hit the market. Luckily it is easily solved (w/o buying a new one). Just open up your DC and disconnect the PSU board. It is attached to the motherboard with a 5-pin connector. The mobo draws a lot of power from the last pin which usually becomes oxidated and consequently starts to heat up quite a bit and doesn't bring enough power anymore. Just use a common contact cleaner on it and your Dreamcast will work again. Mine works fine ATM, I clean it up every 6 months usually.
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What? Is the Dreamcast dead? I use it almost every day... often downloading free software which I can play around with.
Emulating the NES works perfectly. Emulating the Genesis/MegaDrive works, but the sound isn't really perfect. Emulating the C64 works pretty good too (pretty good since one has to turn off the 1541 emulation while not loading games off disc to get 100% speed). SCUMM VM is apparently working very well also... I have not yet tried it out, though. Emulating the Sega Master System / Game Gear works flawlessly. Toying around with them emus on a daily basis.
Previosly owned a bunch of games...
Chu Chu Rocket
Crazy Taxi
Dead Or Alive 2
Evolution
Evolution 2
Grandia 2
Rayman 2
Resident Evil: Code Veronica
Silver
Skies Of Arcadia
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Tech Romancer
Worms Armageddon
...and some more that I can't remember. Sold them all, though, since I felt finished with them. Grandia 2 sucked big-time for being a RPG which everyone talks about (way too easy, repetative, great battle system but completely useless since one could just press attack without bothering about anything else, savecones everywhere that gave the player back all HP/MP and {bleep} which made all the items and weapon/magic upgrades pretty useless, one never needed them blah blah blah). Skies Of Arcadia I still consider being one of the best RPG:s out there.
Recently someone released a Giana Sisters remake. Legal. A batch of new levels and nicer graphics. Next stop for me. A level editor is also supposed to be released sometime in the near future.
What I LOVED with the DC was that almost every game could run in PAL 60Hz (PAL 50Hz here in Sweden sucks, slow and a pain in the but... have someone ever tried out FFX on a European PS2? Biiiiig black borders and EVERYTHING runs in slowmotion). Everything went SMOOTH. In compatation with like GTA3 on the PS2... nice grapichs, but really low framerate... quite apparent in many PS2 games... I hate that fact. I can't play games on consolles that doesn't run smoothly (WHAT THE HECK IS UP WITH TRUE CRIME ON THE X-BOX? EVEN THE LITTLE INTRO JERKS SO MUCH THAT ONE GET THE HORROR FEELING OF PLAYING LIKE HALF-LIFE 2 ON A 90MHZ PENTIUM WITH 32MB OF RAM).
Oh, well. Where was I? Right, I should shut up now... :lol:
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Thanks Cristall, I'll try that! Stripped it down about a year and a half ago, so I may have introduced this problem by mistake ... had to get all the cat hair out though ;-)
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Hey slow down there,i know dreamcasts reset but one of the main reasons that happens is because of the internal battery going down..Just after you leave it on for a while it should be fine esp if you havent been using it every week at least..It just needs to be charged often enough...
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True, for the last year my other half has been using it as an occational CD player, and she tends to use stuff then bury it for a while - I just grab it when I see it ;-)
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Gav wrote:
Hey slow down there,i know dreamcasts reset but one of the main reasons that happens is because of the internal battery going down..
Believe me, I had four Dreamcasts and three of them were from the first batch shipped in Europe and those three had all the same problem. If he has bought that Dreamcast at launch I'm very confident that the problem he is having is the same as the one I had.
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Not at launch, but close (I wasn't about to pay launch prices ;-)).
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I got me a Dreamcast last wednesday for 45EUR. I was amazed by the small size of the thing. Ofcourse I opened it up and boy is the thing crammed full! I got some odd 40 copied games with the thing but sometimes the DC has the tendency to crash (?) and just go back to the screen with the CD player and stuff in it. Could this be due to the usage of CD-R's? I've also found that it is very erratic when it comes to booting the games. Sometimes certain games won't start at all and sometimes it has no problem whatsoever.
But, dang, are there crap games with it! There seem to be a gazillion lame beat-em ups with it. Guess the previous owner liked beating the crap out of people :-).
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IIRC, Dreamcasts behave erratically if they get dirty inside. Here's what I found searching Google with what I remembered about it:
For some reason Dc's did get some bad press for hardware faults.I have come across a few bad un's,but the most common fault seems to be the console reset fault.This is when the Dc starts to load a game then resets itself.
Personally I used to put it down to being that time of the month,since mine did it for a while the worked perfectly.
After getting half life and the dc being "on one" I decided to browse to see if this was a fixable problem,which it is and it's so simple.But it does mean taking the thing apart.(come on now,NOBODY still has a Dc thats still under warranty)
On the left side,after you take the case off,is the psu board,and near the front you'll see 5 or six prongs sticking up through a connector.Just Ease the board up,After unscrewing the screws of course,and clean the prongs,preferably with a soft cloth and some wd40 or similar.Put it back together and voila,one perfect Dc.(you did remember to put the screws back didn't you)
(From http://www.roguenoid.co.uk/archives/000094.html )
Dunno about splashing WD40 around in your machine, but this solved crashing and reset problems for most people.
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bah, I also want a dreamcast
but then, I got a CDTV :-D
and NO I do not want to swap it for yer dreamcast.
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You can get boxed Dreamcasts in GameStation for around £30.00 and the
benefit of a quick return if they go wrong.
I've tried the WD40 trick on the power pins and it worked on 2 out of
2 occasions, however it didn't last long on one.
It could well be due to the laser unit being misaligned and feeding
faulty data to the CPU, although sometimes it happens to me and
nothing is loading.
Your best bet is to keep the machine very well ventilated and off the
carpet/away from walls and TV sets. The little fan keeps an airflow
going so don't obstruct this and let plenty of air get to the vents
all around (including the raised feet on the base).
Also, by pressing down all four fire-buttons and start you can reset
the machine to the main OS so try not to do that accidentally in a
frantic Streetfighter 3 match!
Another thing you might want to consider with the Dreamcast is that
the CR2032 batteries for the VM units cost £2.50 per unit. There are
tips on the net for powering the VMs from 2x AA batteries with a
non-invasive external battery pack (for when you want to play Pacman
or Space Invaders on them etc.)
:-D
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Never owned one myself, though I do remember a few whines about flakiness in the drive movement.
One tip for optical movements in general, before anyone goes nuts trying to realign lasers: Try a brush-based cleaning disc, and some eyeglass cleaning fluid. It really does work far, far better than plain isopropanol and a Q-Tip, if lens crud is to blame.
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Woo! Yet another thread for a Dreamcast! :-D
*Rants that I'm the biggest Dreamcast Fan* :-D
Anyways, here is a few things u guys owning a dreamcast and burning the games should know.
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The type of CDRs you are using to burn MATTER. For instance, the cheapo brands never ever work. Sure they boot, but after awhile, the Lens SWEAT it and start to wear out when its difficult to read the CDs.....The best brand I bought to burn Dreamcast games with are the
MEMOREX Cool Colors CDRs....
They work fantasic and it puts less stress on the Len's for loading times and works the best. :-)
If U do happen to have a new dreamcast and burn games, sure its going to play any CDRs just fine, but after awhile, its gonna strain the Len's, so use them dark-dye colored CDs to burn them with.
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So all n all, the dreamcast still rox the house. :-) I liked everything about it and as of today, i still wonder how that Soul Calibur game was done. Such amazing graphics and get NO SLOWDOWN> :-D But enough, hope u have your fun owning a dreamcast. :-D
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I found Soul Calibur amazing too. Dead or Alive 3 on XBox is similarly impressive, especially as it loads the whole game in the background as you're playing and after about 1 hour doesn't access the disk at all!
Metropolis Street Racer anyone?
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I found Soul Calibur a very nice game, however the crappy pirated version I have has the music {bleep}ed up so I'm hunting on EBay for an original copy.
On a sidenote, it's amazing how much Shenmue I and II fetch on EBay. Are they only printed in limited numbers or something?
And MSR, dunno but if that's the Opel racing game I don't find it very impressive. Crappiest controls I've seen in a long time.
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I got my DC first day they appeared for sale in the UK. I bought that boxing game (can't remember what is was called now, but it was fairly amusing), Sonic Adventure and something else not noteworthy as well as a second pad and two vmu's.
The boxing game tided me over until Soul Calibur, and it wasn't until SC2 came out on the other consoles that I think anything came close. I loved VF4 on PS2, but SC on DC ruled, way better than any of the Tekken series to emerge on PS2.
Sega GT had some nice features, and the graphics, whilst not GT3 on PS2, were good enough to please. If only the cars handled like the GT series on PS1&2. I liked Le Mans 24 Hr on DC also, that and Daytona were MILES better on DC than any other platform.
I for one was sad to hear that Sega were chucking in the towel with DC. I heard they sold many more units than expected, and would have thought for that reason alone it was worth keeping up with. With titles like Soul Calibur being so impressive, I'm sure programmers could have optimised code to bring us a GT3 rival and other great titles. Sure the PS2 was technically superior, but not to the extent that the DC couldn't have it's own unique and impressive titles. My PS2 however killed my DC, as Sega GT just wouldn't drive well, and I HAD to have GT3. If I hadn't been short on cash at the time though, I would have LOVED to keep my DC. I had my PS2 almost a year before I finally got a decent beat 'em up to play (VF4)
These days however, I spend inordinate amounts of cash on my PC, just to play games with a half decent frame rate. Don't you love the fact that you don't have to worry about having a $600 graphics card and a $700 CPU in your console just to play the latest releases?
Still, my WinUAE 128MbRam 32MbPicasso96 AHI Amiga kicks the poop out of my Real Amiga, and games that don't like my expanded real thing, can usually be played on WinUAE by making a few keypresses to disable what I don't like. All except Capital Punishment. Why the hell won't that work on either? I bought the game in a sale 2 years ago, and still to this day never played it :'( My A1200 is wired all over the place (with much soldering) so NO!! I can't just remove the expansions
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yes, the DC is awesome.. I have a bunch of games.. probably about 120 or more..dont remember..havent used it in quite a while.. I also have a PS/2... the DC does have good graphics though.. I just hate it that there are alot of fighting games..whats up with that? why not starglider type games or something like that ??
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hi guys
im in a state of confusion...
last month i sold my PS2 after having it since december 2001 (i didnt like it)
before that i had a dreamcast whicih i loved dearly, it was so fun
buut i need to know your opinions
which - in 2004- is better,
dreamcast or xbox
not in terms of technical specs but in terms of fun and so on
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>>which - in 2004- is better,
>>dreamcast or xbox
>>not in terms of technical specs but in terms of fun and so on
[color=0000FF]For me, each generation feels less fun than the last. I'd say get an Atari VCS.
On the other hand, Xbox is the most "classic" of the current game consoles. That is, the same folks that made so many great C64, Atari 800, Amiga, ST, and 3DO games are still around in some form or other, and many of them making Xbox games.
For example, when NFL Fever launched, I mentioned to the lead designer that the coin toss looked exactly like something in the old Amiga game "TV Sports Football."
He responed: I designed TV Sports Football!
Also - anybody remember/like the game Hired Guns? You won't find a game that matches the original design spirit of Hired Guns more closely than Digital Anvil's "Brute Force" It could almost be a Hired Guns II.
And the music is by Jesper Kyd.[/color]
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So in terms of games machines, you could call the XBox the Amiga of 2004?
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>>So in terms of games machines, you could call the Xbox the Amiga of 2004?
Hmm... Maybe better to say that the designers whose games we loved on the Amiga are still making the games they want to make, and many are exclusively Xbox. "Fable" by Peter Molyneux comes to mind.
I think the difference is that quite a few adults were raised on Nintendo/Sega and have come to expect games that echo the style of those machines. Those of us coming from early personal computers and game consoles such as Amiga, C64, Atari, Spectrum, Amstrad, etc. might be able to relate better to the US/European flavor of Xbox titles.
"Grabbed by the Ghoulies" comes to mind here. It was developed by Ultimate: Play the Game/RARE and I loved it, but it was slammed by reviewers. The game is great but I suspect younger reviewers expected a Japan-styled game (coming from RARE), and didn't understand the pace and style of Ghoulies.