Is Hyperion the new Amiga Inc.?

[Digiman]

I'm beyond caring now.

I am only interested in AROS maturing to completion and how expensive Natami will be.

Until someone uses a couple of brain cells and builds a cheap IBM Xenon CPU based motherboard for mass market then here's nothing to see as far as MOS/OS4 new hardware goes. Xenon or $100 600 MIPS Coldfire native port of those two OS options is the only future for Amiga compatibles. PPC price/performance is a joke.......as is CUSA LINUX + UAE claptrap frankly :roflmao:

[Rob]

I posted the following response;

"If you bother to read the settlement agreement between Hyperion and the Amiga parties you will see the sale of AROS under the Amiga name would be prohibited by that agreement.

Read page 3 part b.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxlY9g_OfLqDZTQyNGFkYzEtZDI5Zi00YzcxLThhODYtODcyZTg0M2I4MzQ1&hl=en

Where was Commodore USA threatened. Here is what was said by HyperionMP, who as far as I know is Ben Hermans.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=32323&forum=16&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#577704

As you can see, no direct threat was made towards Commodore USA.

If the sale of Amiga branded computers running AROS, by Commodore USA was in breach of the settlement agreement then surely Hyperion’s complaint would be with the Amiga Parties not Commodore USA.

There is no evidence that Hyperion Entertainment ever threatened Commodore USA with legal action.

You also seem to forget the criticism levelled at the Amiga community and AROS by Commodore USA. I can pull threads that substantiate this if you really want.

Commodore USA have also openly criticised two proponents of AROS, Steve Jones and Pacal Papara.

Steve Jones sells a computer system called iMica that ships with AROS installed, and Pacal Papara sells the AresONE which also ships with AROS. Funnily enough Hyperion Entertainment have made no legal objection to these products or criticised individuals behind them.

Commodore USA also threatened Thom Holwerda of OS News, over an news item/opinion piece he posted on the site. The threat was was later retracted.

http://www.osnews.com/story/23993/Commodore_USA_s_CEO_Retracts_Legal_Threat_Apologises

Interestingly the threat against Thom even states that Hyperion hadn’t take legal action.

Commodore USA and it’s fanbois are trying to revise history as it is being made."

It'll be interesting to see if it makes it's way past moderation.

[Fats]

I have to agree though that such tactics indeed remind me of Amiga, Inc.

You don't agree with me on that. I find there is a miles difference between A.Inc. and Hyperion.

greets,
Staf.

[SysAdmin]

No one beats the AI humor machine
 
"OS5 is better than OSX".
 
"On schedule and rocken"
 
"AmigaDE on 100's of millions of devices"
 
 

[itix]

I find there is a miles difference between A.Inc. and Hyperion.

To be honest I have to say Hyperion is doing bad job there. After ten years of development Hyperion still havent deliveded any finished product. Their OS is constantly in beta and their versioning is complete mess. They have got different versions of 4.1 with various patch levels which change from platform to platform. There is no any sign of professionalism and all they got is wannabe Belgian lawyer trashing Amiga community including AROS.

While Amiga Inc was bad making business they had some professionalism in their software development.

[Borut]

Eh for me only the A500 ist the original Amiga and nothing beyond - yup forgot the A1000 was 1st in place - ok then I am out because life makes no sense...
"sarkasm off"

[actung_bab]

No one beats the AI humor machine
 
"OS5 is better than OSX".
 
"On schedule and rocken"
 
"AmigaDE on 100's of millions of devices"
 
 

hehe yes and that stadium naming thing what in hadies whould
make a compnay in amiga inc postion says these things
makes you wonder how they thought

[itix]

No one beats the AI humor machine
 
"OS5 is better than OSX".
 
"On schedule and rocken"
 
"AmigaDE on 100's of millions of devices"
 
 

"A solution to provide cheap PPC systems is imminent but I can't comment further." :-)

[actung_bab]

To be honest I have to say Hyperion is doing bad job there. After ten years of development Hyperion still havent deliveded any finished product. Their OS is constantly in beta and their versioning is complete mess. They have got different versions of 4.1 with various patch levels which change from platform to platform. There is no any sign of professionalism and all they got is wannabe Belgian lawyer trashing Amiga community including AROS.

While Amiga Inc was bad making business they had some professionalism in their software development.

Yes but to be fair they have never said there company has had massive base of
employees , seems to me and not having any idea they had handfull full time staff
and alot of helpers. but they have delivered a working os .
and for amount people dont there best. look how many people work on mac and windows
and they still have patchs and updates galore.
and even some real crap releases windows me vista etc
I just think people getting bit frustrated with lack information from them
Athough tended to keep things till ready to release them unlike amiga inc talked everthing up

[itix]

Yes but to be fair they have never said there company has had massive base of
employees , seems to me and not having any idea they had handfull full time staff
and alot of helpers. but they have delivered a working os .

They have got more developers and beta testers Commodore Amiga ever had. Yet they are still struggling to deliver an OS without beta status slapped on it.

[amigadave]

Thing is, though, it being understandable from a business standpoint doesn't make it okay. Their claims were groundless and everybody knew it, yet they tried to intimidate legitimate competitors into backing down with the threat of legal action. That's some SCO shit right there. A good business responds to competition with counter-competition, not by trying to bully their competitors out of the market.

It worked for Microsoft, and look where it got them, so it is no wonder that others try to use those tactics to defeat their competition, instead of just making a better product at a competitive price.

[runequester]

They have got more developers and beta testers Commodore Amiga ever had. Yet they are still struggling to deliver an OS without beta status slapped on it.

Im going to go ahead and ask for some citations to back that up if you would please.

[itix]

Im going to go ahead and ask for some citations to back that up if you would please.

I wouldnt like to trash competing product but when I read TonyW's explanation of their release cycle I could only think they are screwed. With this kind of model they never get properly working release out.

Judging by Amigans.net comment it already seems their 4.1 for SAM460 is different patch level than 4.1 for SAM440. On coming 4.1 release for PowerUp appears to have different patch level than others. You can not work with a release model like that. It is not only laborous but bug reports are completely useless if every platform have different version of components.

[runequester]

Actually I meant on the number of developers involved.

[nicholas]

I wouldnt like to trash competing product but when I read TonyW's explanation of their release cycle I could only think they are screwed. With this kind of model they never get properly working release out.

Judging by Amigans.net comment it already seems their 4.1 for SAM460 is different patch level than 4.1 for SAM440. On coming 4.1 release for PowerUp appears to have different patch level than others. You can not work with a release model like that.

:roflmao:

Amateurs indeed!! :shock:

[itix]

Actually I meant on the number of developers involved.

Oh.

"OTOH, it should be clear that after working for over 15 months with a team of around 30 developers, we already have a nice wishlist for OS 4.1."

ANN comment in 2003.

I could not find reference for number of Amiga developers at Commodore but Workbench about window should be good source: http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_31.html