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Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« on: February 20, 2011, 10:57:26 AM »
hi all Amiga fans
Everyone "claims" to own kickstart. Ofcourse if they didn't they would loose the ground upon which they stand. Dig into the history of the kickstart, it has to be one of the saddest stories ever... It has ben sold, resold, in whatever maner there is. No wonder some folks tend to think it is.... for taking....

If there ever was a time to set kickstart free.... now it is ;)

http://sites.google.com/site/freeamiga/#TOC-Amiga-Documents-2.2.1

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/ahistory.html
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2011, 11:07:41 AM »
Yeah, so what ?
How much is the fish ?
Who gives a flying f... ?

Kickstart IS still owned, no matter how shady those owners might seem to you and that all there is to know.

On the other side yopur 100% free to donate moeny to the AROS-based Kickstart-replacement bounty.
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4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2011, 11:10:19 AM »
no fishing.. the big stick
Money is no relevans... freedom is

why donate to something that is already free...
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2011, 11:38:08 AM »
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why donate to something that is already free...

The bounty for 68k AROS kickstart is to motivate someone to write software when they could be doing something else. If you don't want to donate then don't.
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2011, 11:39:48 AM »
I'm actually tired of dragging up the doom and gloom times again. Unless you have something new to add, why not look at how nice the hobby is doing at the present?
AROS may not be the best, but it is reliable.
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2011, 11:44:49 AM »
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no fishing.. the big stick
Money is no relevans... freedom is

why donate to something that is already free...


I Amiga therefore I Kickstart.
I Amiga therefore I Workbench.

If it came with the box I own it is mine. Media or not.

Those are the bounds of my concern.
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2011, 12:15:37 PM »
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why donate to something that is already free...

Because no matter how free you might consider the kickstart being, you are going to have a hard time digging up and opensourcing the AmigaOS source code if you want to improve and add to it. That is why the AROS initiative is so important, and in my opinion well worth donating to.

Love your games btw.
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2011, 12:21:12 PM »
The Kickstart rights, it is the must Bullsh.t, I have ever seen!!
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2011, 12:33:29 PM »
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Because no matter how free you might consider the kickstart being, you are going to have a hard time digging up and opensourcing the AmigaOS source code if you want to improve and add to it. That is why the AROS initiative is so important, and in my opinion well worth donating to.

Love your games btw.


Thanks..  :) Do check out our Amiga/iPhone projekt (Battle Squadron ONE) though i am deeply sadden by reading about the kickstart

The Amiga was ment to be free (no bounds).. people strap off your bellys, put your sofa on default.... The Amiga is alive but needs your help....

WE need a serious shaking going on....
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2011, 12:56:38 PM »
I own

01  A500 KS 1.3 & 3.1
02  A600 KS 2.4 & 3.1
03  A1200 KS 3.0
04  A4000 KS 3.0 & 3.1

I have the Amiga computers and the kickstarts for these machines, which gives me legal ownership to use them with an emulator program or in the hardware.

Question

If I bought kickstart rom chips from a supplier or from an auction site (new or 2nd hand) but did not buy the Amiga machine, I am the legal owner to use kickstart on an emulator ?
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2011, 01:12:02 PM »
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Everyone "claims" to own kickstart.

I would like to think I own those I bought, yes.

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Ofcourse if they didn't they would loose the ground upon which they stand.

Oh my...

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Dig into the history of the kickstart, it has to be one of the saddest stories ever...

Not really.

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It has ben sold, resold, in whatever maner there is. No wonder some folks tend to think it is.... for taking....

Teh horror.

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If there ever was a time to set kickstart free.... now it is ;)

And just how are you going to do that?
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2011, 01:27:28 PM »
If you accidently come across a website where you can download your roms you would the legal owner because you own the hardware roms ?
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2011, 01:38:25 PM »
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And just how are you going to do that?


"Mind trick, my friend...." - Yoda

haha, ok seriously ;)

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
quote a famous scientist
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2011, 02:08:28 PM »
The AROS kickstart should make the whole legal tangle just disapear (hopefully). Then we won't care who owns the old out of date kickstart.

Although I would like to know who really owns it, just to finally know! My bets are on who ever bought gateway.
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Re: Set the Amiga free... (kickstart)
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2011, 02:47:05 PM »
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The AROS kickstart should make the whole legal tangle just disapear (hopefully). Then we won't care who owns the old out of date kickstart.

Although I would like to know who really owns it, just to finally know! My bets are on who ever bought gateway.


AROS is such a beautiful project.. :)

Who is that entity that claims to own the girl of Amiga... I WANT TO SEE IT NOW...!!
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