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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: Tension on November 01, 2010, 03:57:47 PM
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http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/01/amiga_brand_name_for_sale/
Thanks!!
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I'm hoping the spanish lesbians get it this time:afro:
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..."Amiga, the name for its expensive multimedia workstation".
Nice. :rolleyes:
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I agree Spanish Lesbians have waited too long!
I'm hoping the spanish lesbians get it this time:afro:
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I'm hoping the spanish lesbians get it this time:afro:
Ooooops... Better hope the Humour Police dont come down hard on you for that, as they did with me.
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You too Persia!!!
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We hope Spanish Lesbians get it too.
(http://im.videosearch.rediff.com/thumbImage/videoImages/videoImages1/youtube/rdhash291/bT_uxAWsQcw.gif)
:laughing:
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..."Amiga, the name for its expensive multimedia workstation".
Nice. :rolleyes:
Given the truly insane legal issues and bad blood that surround Amiga and Hyperion etc, if the worst dig the mainstream tech press have is at the projected cost of the X1000, you're having a good day.
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What a numptie this Drew Cullen guy must be, describing the Amiga platform as moribund... :madashell:
He's obviously one of those losers who scours the net looking for any little snippets of information that he can comment on without even bothering to check all the facts... :rolleyes:
While Amiga Inc and all the rest of those companies still spend most of their time lurking about in the grey shadows of the Amiga IP & copyright issues and never actually doing anything productive, don't both they and this guy realise that, whether it be in classic hardware form, emulation, or a hybrid system the Amiga community lives on and is far from being moribund...
At the end of the day no matter who owns the Amiga brand name, all that matters is the Amiga community knows something genuinely Amiga when they see it. :)
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@Franko
Buy the name and hit him in the head with it.
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@Franko
Buy the name and hit him in the head with it.
I've sent an email to the company carrying out the transaction, asking for a quote and some more details, watch this space for a reply ... :roflmao:
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@Franko
Buy the name and hit him in the head with it.
The Commodore Scotland Amiga! DO IT!
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The Commodore Scotland Amiga! DO IT!
I've already purchased AmigaUK.com, but because I decided to change servers the name is tied up for 60 days before I can access it... :(
But to own the actual AMIGA name, now that would be something, reckon I could have a great laugh with that... :)
(oops... made a boo boo it's AmigaUK.com I purchased not AmigaScotland.com, wondered why I couldn't find it !!!)
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Time for a "Free the Amiga" telethon to get Amiga Inc out of the picture, methinks.
Or perhaps not. Given the questionable status of Amiga Inc's ownership of the trademarks, taking possession of the name could amount to receiving stolen property.
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Pouring good money down a rat hole to get a domain name is a really bad idea. The Amiga community is small, a few thousand, most of whom read one of three or four websites. Hyperion could use the domain name kfjslfdjdkfjldfogd.asia and people would still find it.
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I was going to say.. just register spanishlesbians.com ... but it's already taken .. OOOPS :p
Tom UK
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I've already purchased AmigaUK.com, but because I decided to change servers the name is tied up for 60 days before I can access it... :(
But to own the actual AMIGA name, now that would be something, reckon I could have a great laugh with that... :)
(oops... made a boo boo it's AmigaUK.com I purchased not AmigaScotland.com, wondered why I couldn't find it !!!)
Some time ago, when the amiga.com domain had been suspended by godaddy because of the invalid contact information, I thought I should try a long shot of getting the domain. I had heard upset rumors online of godaddy actually revoking and re-selling domains they had suspended for similar reasons to new owners, so I thought I should have a go. :)
So I decided to use godaddy's own "domain buy service". Thought that might improve my odds a bit. I registered and paid the fee. After some time I got a "Certified Domain Name Appraisal", a service that was included in the price, and it turned out that godaddy estimated the value of the domain to be in the range of $1,268 - $3,296. I made an offer for $1,500 (I think).
After some time though, I suddenly got the fee for the "domain buy service" completely refunded, and godaddy terminated the service without any further explanation. I mailed them a few times, curious to why they terminated the service, but got no sane response other than some standard copy/paste kind of answer that didn't tell me anything at all. A bit odd I think. But, ah well... Worth a try! :)
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@ takemehomegrandma
The company dealing with the sale is called 'Pluritas' and as I say Im still waiting for a reply from them. If it gonna cost me several grand to get the Amiga name and all that goes along with it then I'd be willing to spend the cash on it, as I have a few ideas that I'd like to try out.
Having said that before parting with any dosh I'd have to check out all the grey areas first before deciding what to do. Cos as we all know when it comes to the Amiga the whole subject of just who owns what is very murky indeed.
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We hope Spanish Lesbians get it too.
They don't look Spanish to me...
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AI made a new McFunny, still up to their old business of trying to make money for doing nothing.
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@ takemehomegrandma
The company dealing with the sale is called 'Pluritas' and as I say Im still waiting for a reply from them. If it gonna cost me several grand to get the Amiga name and all that goes along with it then I'd be willing to spend the cash on it, as I have a few ideas that I'd like to try out.
Having said that before parting with any dosh I'd have to check out all the grey areas first before deciding what to do. Cos as we all know when it comes to the Amiga the whole subject of just who owns what is very murky indeed.
Honestly, I think they will try to recover a major part of what they originally invested to buy the IP. I don't think they will succeed, they will get much less in the end, but somehow I don't think "several grand" will be enough! ;)
Best of luck though! :)
Spanish lesbians could surely use a nice place to stay in cyberspace!
:)
Heck, speaking of that, why leave the computer industry because of the lesbians, why not combine the two? I mean, there is probably a much, much bigger market for "lesbian computers" than there is for "X1000" and "Sam 460" combined! I'd say that the lesbians are a forgotten segment in the industry! :) Think of it, a pink, cute little PC. A netbook, small enough to fit within a purse, but with built-in 3G and Wifi, and with a hotline to the new, reworked amiga.com, containing everything lesbians needs and wants for their daily Internet life (wathever that is). :)
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AI made a new McFunny
I need more popcorn, the show never ends! :)
Speaking of that, I wish I had bought shares in the popcorn industry a decade ago. I would have been a millionaire by now! :)
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I need more popcorn, the show never ends! :)
Speaking of that, I wish I had bought shares in the popcorn industry a decade ago. I would have been a millionaire by now! :)
Shares are sliding now. Apparently popcorn sales always correlate with the state of the economy, ie bad.
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Given the truly insane legal issues and bad blood that surround Amiga and Hyperion etc, if the worst dig the mainstream tech press have is at the projected cost of the X1000, you're having a good day.
Good point ;)
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AI made a new McFunny, still up to their old business of trying to make money for doing nothing.
You just defined the goal of capitalism, never so clear.
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Is it just the Amiga trademark that is being sold, and nothing else?
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Is it just the Amiga trademark that is being sold, and nothing else?
I don't think there is anything else left, most, if not all of the patents have expired.
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I don't think there is anything else left, most, if not all of the patents have expired.
There has got to be something other than the patents -- everything that has a copyright on it, for example?
Well, maybe the revolutionary "Commodore Amiga" machines are not going to happen after all. What kind of company announces that "Commodore USA" has the exclusive marketing rights to Amiga then puts the Amiga trademark itself up for sale? (Yes, Amiga Inc. is that kind of company.)
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There has got to be something other than the patents -- everything that has a copyright on it, for example?
Copyright for what? They lost the right to do anything with AmigaOS. So far as I'm aware, they never attempted to get any of the IP for the old commodore chipsets.
What kind of company announces that "Commodore USA" has the exclusive marketing rights to Amiga then puts the Amiga trademark itself up for sale? (Yes, Amiga Inc. is that kind of company.)
One that doesn't have much of an alternative. Hyperion has the OS, and the Amiga community absolutely savaged him. The brand whist it's in either McBill's or Barrys hands is toxic.
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This may be just a step in a private transaction to make it look like they're courting multiple offers to buy out Amiga Inc. in an open market.
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This is like a dog in heat on Pluto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto). He wants something but due to environmental circumstances he won't get it.
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Copyright for what? They lost the right to do anything with AmigaOS. So far as I'm aware, they never attempted to get any of the IP for the old commodore chipsets.
One that doesn't have much of an alternative. Hyperion has the OS, and the Amiga community absolutely savaged him. The brand whist it's in either McBill's or Barrys hands is toxic.
Who owns the IP for the chipsets? And I thought it was clear that earlier OS was not owned by Hyperion anyway, but that's precisely what AInc wants to keep. Not everyone is anti-Hyperion, BTW -- there certainly are some very vocal folks that are!
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Who owns the IP for the chipsets?
Gateway2000, probably.
But really, at this late stage, who cares? All of the released C='s chipsets have been reverse engineered to the point where serviceable emulations exist both in software and on FPGA's. The IP for the chipsets is utterly worthless.
And I thought it was clear that earlier OS was not owned by Hyperion anyway
Doesn't matter. The court settlement forbids Amiga.Inc from going anywhere near AmigaOS, or even AROS for that matter. Anyone they licence the name to would likely also be forbidden from doing so either.
Not everyone is anti-Hyperion, BTW
No wai, really?! Gosh darn, and here I am, having been on this site since before the great reboot and I never guessed!
/sarcasm
-- there certainly are some very vocal folks that are!
With damn good reason too.
By Savaged, I was referring to Barry.
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If Hyperion is the only party that can market AmigaOS and CUSA has the right to sell Amiga Computers, what's Bill selling exactly?
Am I the only one that's confused.
Does anyone else have the nerve to call Barry? I've been through that and I'm not doing it again.
WTF does Bill think he has to sell? He never produced anything.
The name has swapped between multiple corporations (anyone remember KMOS?).
The IP has never really been his to control and the hardware patents (which are no longer valid) are probably still owned by Gateway2000 (which of course no longer exists).
And the big question. Who is going to be dumb enough to pay for a name w/o IP content?
No offense, Franko.
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The court settlement forbids Amiga.Inc from going anywhere near AmigaOS, or even AROS for that matter. Anyone they licence the name to would likely also be forbidden from doing so either.
Perhaps C-USA will buy the Amiga name outright and use AROS with impunity.
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Perhaps C-USA will buy the Amiga name outright and use AROS with impunity.
Barry's not happy with AROS. However, he would be one possible buyer (no I'm not kidding, Altman is serious).
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Even in its heyday the Amiga platform wasnt a major player in the computing world (compared to, the C64 for example). Most computer history books barely reference the Amiga platform and those that do spare maybe a page of generic information. 15+ years after the parent Co's demise, people who used the platform for more than games (a subset of the Amiga userbase) might retain some interest, but the rest of the world doesnt even know it existed.
Anyone willing to pay more than a few quid for an obscure brand needs to wonder "why?"
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Perhaps C-USA will buy the Amiga name outright and use AROS with impunity.
They couldn't though. The settlement stated clearly that Amiga.inc were forbidden from producing an AmigaOS or Amiga-like OS of their own. If Barry licences the name or buys out AI, they would be bound by that settlement also.
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Even in its heyday the Amiga platform wasnt a major player in the computing world (compared to, the C64 for example). Most computer history books barely reference the Amiga platform and those that do spare maybe a page of generic information. 15+ years after the parent Co's demise, people who used the platform for more than games (a subset of the Amiga userbase) might retain some interest, but the rest of the world doesnt even know it existed.
Anyone willing to pay more than a few quid for an obscure brand needs to wonder "why?"
Couldn't disagree with you more on that, why would the Amiga be voted in at no 7 in the top 25 greatest computers of all time, when the poll was held by a company who only sell PCs. If the rest of the world didn't know about it, then how did they vote for it... :confused:
PCWorld Top 25 Greatest Computers of All Time (http://www.pcworld.com/article/126692-8/the_25_greatest_pcs_of_all_time.html)
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Top 25 computers as voted by computer enthusiasts.
Including such memorable products as:
#3. Xerox 8010 Information System (1981)
Not really a guage of mainstream appeal.
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Even in its heyday the Amiga platform wasnt a major player in the computing world (compared to, the C64 for example). Most computer history books barely reference the Amiga platform and those that do spare maybe a page of generic information. 15+ years after the parent Co's demise, people who used the platform for more than games (a subset of the Amiga userbase) might retain some interest, but the rest of the world doesnt even know it existed.
Anyone willing to pay more than a few quid for an obscure brand needs to wonder "why?"
Its funny because Ive seen estimates that the amiga was rivalling Apple market share for a short while. BUt history is written by the victors I suppose
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Thats right, history -is- written by the victors.
So in that context and given that branding is a tool for generating revenue through product sales, the value of the Amiga brand at present has got to be pretty low.
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Thats right, history -is- written by the victors.
So in that context and given that branding is a tool for generating revenue through product sales, the value of the Amiga brand at present has got to be pretty low.
yeah, I can't imagine there's much monetary value involved here
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The domain name has value, it means female friend in Portuguese and Spanish. Our friends, the illustrious Spanish Lesbians want it. There are others. Dating site? Pr0n site? Women's interest site? It's one of those things that could bring upwards of €500,000 to the right buyer, perhaps more. One word generic dot com domain names are valuable...
There are anywhere from 350 to 500 million spanish speakers and 150 to 240 million portuguese speakers.....
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@persia
...and thats a lot of porn.
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This is like when the Beatles had a chance to buy their music back, and they let Michael Jackson get it instead.
Hyperion, just get out your checkbook, one more time, and be the highest bidder on this one.
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Ha ha ha ha like hyperion have any money
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@persia
Well yes I guess if your using the brand on something profitable that you can capitalize on, like pr0n it has value.
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I don't understand. They already sold Worldwide exclusive rights to the Amiga name to Commodore U.S.A. How can they be selling them again? "Exclusive" being what it is, they can't actually sell the name to anyone else or they'd be in breach of contract, surely?
Although, given prior history I don't suppose a minor thing like agreeing a contract and then breaking it a few weeks later is anything that they would be bothered with. However it would be a disincentive to any prospective purchaser. It'd be like buying a house then arriving at the door with all your furniture and finding someone else living there claiming they bought it too.
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What they are selling is Amiga Inc. Amiga Inc owns AmigaOS (which is licensed to HYperion and generates no income), Amiga computer brand (which is licensed to C=USA and generates an undisclosed income, currently likely zero), AmigaAnywhere (AKA Antix Game Player) which is not for sale anywhere, the Evil Snowman app for Windows Mobile, currently unavailable and the domain name. Clearly there's only one thing of any real value, possibly two of C=USA producing something in addition to warm air.
They do have expertise in laundering money which I suppose could add value to the company. They can sell the rights to AmigaOS and Amiga computers, but anyone who purchased these rights would be subject to the same agreements that Amiga Inc is.
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They couldn't though. The settlement stated clearly that Amiga.inc were forbidden from producing an AmigaOS or Amiga-like OS of their own. If Barry licences the name or buys out AI, they would be bound by that settlement also.
That's not true if Amiga Inc. is selling the Amiga trade name and not the company. Anyone can buy 'Amiga' and sell systems bundled with AROS (including you, me, or Barry).
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That's not true if Amiga Inc. is selling the Amiga trade name and not the company. Anyone can buy 'Amiga' and sell systems bundled with AROS (including you, me, or Barry).
Yeah I'm going to go with "I don't want to be sued by Hyperion or potentially be found in contempt for 60, Alice".
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I'm hoping the spanish lesbians get it this time:afro:
Contrary to popular belief it doesn't make any sense to buy such domain for lesbics or whatever related to sexual whatsoever, unless you're into draining money that is, but then one could chose whichever name one may think of and label it a lesbian site...
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Strange but I've not yet received a reply from Pluritas regarding my bid for the Amiga IP and trademark rights. I mean I did after all offer them 3 grand and a case of Buckfast, oh well good luck to the Spanish Lesbos then... :)
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Strange but I've not yet received a reply from Pluritas regarding my bid for the Amiga IP and trademark rights. I mean I did after all offer them 3 grand and a case of Buckfast, oh well good luck to the Spanish Lesbos then... :)
Well, sounds like you might need to settle for AmigaScotland.com
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I've been thinking about this, and the only conclusion I can come to is Bill's giving up (thank God).
Maybe he thinks he can salvage a little money by getting Barry Altman (or someone else who will pay for it) to cough up some significant change for what soley amounts to a damaged trademark.
But I think the important thing we can take from this is Bill McEwen's out of here.
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Ha ha ha ha like hyperion have any money
They had money to go to court over OS4. I value the Amiga brand at a few million dollars at best (in second Life Linden Dollars that is)
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They had money to go to court over OS4. I value the Amiga brand at a few million dollars at best (in second Life Linden Dollars that is)
But isn't Ben a lawyer?
Did they not basically represent themselves?
Check out the court documents.
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Hyperion has no valid claim against Amiga Inc or C=USA, Amiga Inc has no valid claim against Hyperion. It's all over, settled, done. Hyperion needs to concentrate on it's business and not waste money on a Quixotic quest of the Amiga name.
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What about Genesi for ole' time sake and the the last laugh? Obviously, they have moved on.. but #$@#, ya never know. :)
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I've been thinking about this, and the only conclusion I can come to is Bill's giving up (thank God).
But I think the important thing we can take from this is Bill McEwen's out of here.
Hope you're right. I took it the other way, that Bill's just trying to court a new supplier of paychecks for doing nuthin.
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Didn't know Ben was a lawyer. Pretty cool, heck why not Hyperion they're actually doing something!
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http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/01/amiga_brand_name_for_sale/
Thanks!!
They should just stick to T-shirts....
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Another reason that this Amiga trade name is not in demand: Certainly a buyer would like to have exclusive use of the name, but AmigaOS and AmigaOne are already being used legally by others. Kinda takes away from it?
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Hope you're right. I took it the other way, that Bill's just trying to court a new supplier of paychecks for doing nuthin.
That would require a prior agreement. If Amiga Inc.actually has more than one owner, competitive bidding for the property would make it difficult for Bill to require his employment as a condition of the sale.
Edit - The latest statement I've seen on this situation states that Amiga Inc. is seeking "venture capital".
This may not indicated a sale of any IP or trademark. Rather, Mr. Bill may be trolling for someone else to finance his endevors