WinUAE exposing how crappy Windows is

[warpdesign]

Does it really make sense that all your Apps should be so tied into the OS that if you have to reinstall Windows you have to reinstall and reset up every single application on your computer?

Don't you think apps are tied on the Amiga as well ?

Most MUI apps will require libs/mcc to be copied into mui:libs. Reinstalling your OS means reinstalling *every single MCC/libs* required by your app. And there's no way to list which mcc is used by which app. Oh, and I'm not even talking about version problems (for example mcc making crash some apps,...) In addition to that, if your app added some stuff into startup-sequence/user-startup, it also means readding assign, path,...

Amiga's way of working with apps/dirs certainly isn't better. Sure, there are things that suck on Windows. But what's important:
 - what sucks in Windows ?
 - Or what can be improved in AmigaOS ?

I would say the second... Pointing at Windows flaws won't improve AmigaOS...

[halvliter'n]

I am still using the same system disk on the Amiga that I used in 1996. I've had some disk to disk copy then when I bought myself new hard drives or had craches,
but that was always a 1:1 copy. Disksalv, quarterback, rdb-recovery, snoopdos and Readme-files is good to have.
I have updated it from 3.0, 3.1, 3.5, 3.9 and gone back some times and have probably tested all tools, patches and apps that is possible to install on this system, well until 2005, it has not been so much activity after this on that computer.
 
edit: Forgot to say that i have a Directorys dated 1993 of tools on the disk that works well too. It is a kind of tempdir from my A500, but many of the programs work directly from the drawers.
 
So it's possible, and I do not think this is possible with Windows.

[the_leander]

Great so I should run as a limited user while my Malware runs as Admin.  

You really should have taken Arkhans advice and quit whilst you were behind.

By running as a limited user, you reduce the risk of having malware that has unfettered access to your system. A lot of malware needs that full access to do the things it needs to.

What reason is that?

There are no demotivators I know of that could truly quantify how dumb that question is.

And you had the gall to bitch about OS architecture without understanding the benefits inherent within a multi user environment...

[the_leander]

So it's possible, and I do not think this is possible with Windows.

Sure it's possible to do backups with Windows, both of the OS, installed apps and everything in between.

There is a whole subset of the computing industry dedicated to offering a variety of backup solutions.

[halvliter'n]

I said nothing about backups, why worry about backups? Well, it's necessary with Winshit.

[the_leander]

I said nothing about backups, why worry about backups?

Transferring complete installed systems between disks as you described generally comes under the umbrella of backups in terms of software.

 Well, it's necessary with Winshit.

It's necessary with all computers.

[halvliter'n]

@the_leander
You did not understand what I wrote. I just copyed (moved) the system to a new drive and this is not backuping, it's upgrading since the system continued to evolve and I do not fell back on the previous.

[the_leander]

@the_leander
You did not understand what I wrote. I just copyed (moved) the system to a new drive and this is not backuping, it's upgrading since the system continued to evolve and I do not fell back on the previous.

I understood what you meant, thanks.

There is software that allows you to move a complete windows system over to a new drive.

That software is usually considered to come under the heading of backup software.

--edit--
 
What I mean is, if you were looking for software to do this for you within a site along the line of say download.com or something similar, you would look under the heading of "backups".

[kolla]

Hm, no need for special dedicated software for this on neither windows nor amiga.

[halvliter'n]

Most winodows machines are full of crap and will be re installed since the backup is too old.

[the_leander]

Most winodows machines are full of crap and will be re installed since the backup is too old.

Prove it.

[halvliter'n]

I understand almost none of all the mess and without any reasonable file name in the f..... WINDOWS directory.

[psxphill]

edit: Forgot to say that i have a Directorys dated 1993 of tools on the disk that works well too. It is a kind of tempdir from my A500, but many of the programs work directly from the drawers.
 
So it's possible, and I do not think this is possible with Windows.

Alot of windows software can work by copying folders around. I have software running on windows 7 that I haven't installed since I ran MSDOS (circa 1994).
 
Microsoft even promote it, it's called xcopy deployment.
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302347.aspx
 
For the apps that don't work like that you can often get portable versions
 
http://portableapps.com/
 
Let's not forget that their are apps on the Amiga that require installation, including copying files all over your boot partition. So it's not an operating system, it's down to the applications. Software these days is mainstream business, the bigger the business the lower the quality ( and that holds for more than just software ).
 
I don't think we can get the whole world to rely on software that was written 17 years ago though. A friend of mine is having trouble getting his iphone to sync now he's on ios4, itunes is a particularly hopeless piece of software. I doubt he's going to have much more luck trying to sync to an A500 though.

[halvliter'n]

Prove it.

Prove the opposite.

[the_leander]

Prove the opposite.

Uh, no, you made the claim, the onus is on you to back it up.

[halvliter'n]

Alot of windows software can work by copying folders around. I have software running on windows 7 that I haven't installed since I ran MSDOS (circa 1994).
 
Microsoft even promote it, it's called xcopy deployment.
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302347.aspx
 
For the apps that don't work like that you can often get portable versions
 
http://portableapps.com/
 
Let's not forget that their are apps on the Amiga that require installation, including copying files all over your boot partition. So it's not an operating system, it's down to the applications. Software these days is mainstream business, the bigger the business the lower the quality ( and that holds for more than just software ).
 
I don't think we can get the whole world to rely on software that was written 17 years ago though. A friend of mine is having trouble getting his iphone to sync now he's on ios4, itunes is a particularly hopeless piece of software. I doubt he's going to have much more luck trying to sync to an A500 though.

LOL. I think he'll have to try the 500, it works always best.
Yes there is a lot of software that does not touch the system in any way in windows.
I wrote it was a temp dir from the old Amiga500. The point was that i never needed to reformat and reinstall the entire system and applications. There are certain files and folders it's wise to have an extra copy of on the Amiga of course.