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Re: A1200 PATA EIDE hard drive?
« Reply #44 from previous page: April 05, 2011, 09:22:07 AM »
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As clawws brought up make sure the the drive is assigned as "MASTER"  "CS" or cable select doesnt work with amigas!


If it's a 2.5" HD, it should default to master and you shouldn't need to add any jumpers at all - in fact, some drives don't even support CS or slave connection...
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Re: A1200 PATA EIDE hard drive?
« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2011, 09:50:04 AM »
magnetic:

Unlike some of us here, sounds like you've been very lucky in not ending up with DOA drives.

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Cheers Mizar, I'll try and order one today, kinda came to the conclusion that those two disks were DOA after checking through all the specs & technical details there is no real reason that they shouldn't have worked... :)

298GB will be plenty for my other A1200s as I only need the towered one with it's two 500GB HDs to backup my DVDs and CD ISO files. All my other miggies only contain Amiga specific stuff so 298GB will more than do... :)


Ah, yes, with just Amiga stuff that size is gigantic alright... to fill that would take downloading half of Aminet maybe, LOL.  The only thing is you'll probably have the same problem as me with the Amiga not recognizing but only 2 1/3 % of the drive space :-(.  So, we'll have to figure out how to use the rest.  I'm reading through the OS Hard Drive Manual, but I'd be surprised if the answer is in there.  Your towered A1200 sees all the 500GB in the two drives though, right?  They're IDE 3.5"?  I wonder what the difference is there.

How do y'all get your 30, 60, 80GB HDs to be fully recognized by OS3.9?
Amiga Tech. A1200: Apollo 1230/40 MHz & 882/50 MHz, 32 MB fast RAM, WD 298 GB HD (320 SI GB), Sony 1760 KB floppy, Surf Squirrel SCSI-II & buffered  serial, Ricoh CDRW 6x4x24, USR 33.6 Kbps modem, MV1200 scan doubler, Compaq 17" SVGA, KS 3.1, OS3.9 BB1, Genesis 45.7, Miami 3.2b, AWeb 3.5.09 APL

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Re: A1200 PATA EIDE hard drive?
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2011, 10:11:36 AM »
@ Mizar

If you use either the 4xEDIE or the FASTATA MKIII buffered interface boards they automatically split the first part of you HDs up into 4GB partitions that use up 8 x 4GBs worth of space... :)

However on my 500GB Drives I use SmartFileSystem and once installed on the HDs RDB you can use any size of HD and any size of Partition... :)

I Only use FFS partitions in the first 4GB space on the Master HD to boot up into OS3.1, OS3.5 or OS4.0 ... :)
 

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Re: A1200 PATA EIDE hard drive?
« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2011, 06:46:01 AM »
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@ Mizar

If you use either the 4xEDIE or the FASTATA MKIII buffered interface boards they automatically split the first part of you HDs up into 4GB partitions that use up 8 x 4GBs worth of space... :)

However on my 500GB Drives I use SmartFileSystem and once installed on the HDs RDB you can use any size of HD and any size of Partition... :)

I Only use FFS partitions in the first 4GB space on the Master HD to boot up into OS3.1, OS3.5 or OS4.0 ... :)


Are there buffered IDE interface boards still available?  I haven't seen any yet.  My HD transfer rate is inordinately slow around just 190KB/sec. :-(.  I'm not sure why, but maybe one of those boards could fix that.

Ah, SmartFileSystem is the key!  I'd heard that can have certain drawbacks, but it sounds essential if one wishes to use a huge HD.  It doesn't look like it's on Aminet, where do you get it?

PS. OS4.0 on your A1200, aye?  Cool!  It must have manageable system requirements for well expanded classic systems.
Amiga Tech. A1200: Apollo 1230/40 MHz & 882/50 MHz, 32 MB fast RAM, WD 298 GB HD (320 SI GB), Sony 1760 KB floppy, Surf Squirrel SCSI-II & buffered  serial, Ricoh CDRW 6x4x24, USR 33.6 Kbps modem, MV1200 scan doubler, Compaq 17" SVGA, KS 3.1, OS3.9 BB1, Genesis 45.7, Miami 3.2b, AWeb 3.5.09 APL

C= A500: 68000, 512 KB chip, 512 KB fast, 880 KB floppy x 2, 1084S, KS 1.3, OS 1.3
 

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Re: A1200 PATA EIDE hard drive?
« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2011, 07:22:50 AM »
@ Mizar

I've only seen them on eBay these days, I've bought two 4xEIDE boards on eBay over the past few weeks, they only speed up HD access slightly to about 250kb/sc but they make managing an HD and adding extra drives HD/CD/DVD a doddle... :)

The best board though is the FastATA MKIII, but again you'd have to find one on somewhere like eBay but the FastATA  MKIII will take you're HD speeds up to around 500 to 600kb/sec (depending on your processor), I've only seen one in the past month on eBay but got outbid on it... :(

SmartFileSystem used to be on AmiNet as it was released into the public domain years ago by the author, however you can still find it here at the authors own website... :)

SmartFileSystem Ver 1.279

OS4.0 on an A1200 requires a PPC accelerator but without an RTG board as well it's slower than a dead donkey... :(
 

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Re: A1200 PATA EIDE hard drive?
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2011, 02:22:31 AM »
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@ Mizar

I've only seen them on eBay these days, I've bought two 4xEIDE boards on eBay over the past few weeks, they only speed up HD access slightly to about 250kb/sc but they make managing an HD and adding extra drives HD/CD/DVD a doddle... :)

The best board though is the FastATA MKIII, but again you'd have to find one on somewhere like eBay but the FastATA  MKIII will take you're HD speeds up to around 500 to 600kb/sec (depending on your processor), I've only seen one in the past month on eBay but got outbid on it... :(

SmartFileSystem used to be on AmiNet as it was released into the public domain years ago by the author, however you can still find it here at the authors own website... :)

SmartFileSystem Ver 1.279

OS4.0 on an A1200 requires a PPC accelerator but without an RTG board as well it's slower than a dead donkey... :(


You seem to be implying that my slow 190KB/sec. rate is normal, but in that IDE interface thread it was said it should be more like 2MB/sec. or higher with an 030 and original A1200 IDE interface.  I have an 030/40MHz, 882/50 MHz.

Yeah, I remember the FastATA MKIII sounded like the best from the other thread.  I guess I'll have to add that to my list of items that I want that can only be aquired secondhand, along with a PPC accelerator, RTG board, and PCI/Zorro-II slots.  ;-)

Cool... when I downloaded SFS the slightly older main archive link was directed from Aminet.  Don't know why it didn't show up in my Aminet search the other day.
Amiga Tech. A1200: Apollo 1230/40 MHz & 882/50 MHz, 32 MB fast RAM, WD 298 GB HD (320 SI GB), Sony 1760 KB floppy, Surf Squirrel SCSI-II & buffered  serial, Ricoh CDRW 6x4x24, USR 33.6 Kbps modem, MV1200 scan doubler, Compaq 17" SVGA, KS 3.1, OS3.9 BB1, Genesis 45.7, Miami 3.2b, AWeb 3.5.09 APL

C= A500: 68000, 512 KB chip, 512 KB fast, 880 KB floppy x 2, 1084S, KS 1.3, OS 1.3
 

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Re: A1200 PATA EIDE hard drive?
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2011, 05:20:09 AM »
I just went for a SATA SSD drive using an IDE44 to SATA adapter but it won't work as a master, now I'm going with this option IDE PATA DOM

5.1MB p/s here I come :)
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Re: A1200 PATA EIDE hard drive?
« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2011, 01:08:50 AM »
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Are there buffered IDE interface boards still available?  I haven't seen any yet.  My HD transfer rate is inordinately slow around just 190KB/sec. :-(.  I'm not sure why, but maybe one of those boards could fix that.

Ah, SmartFileSystem is the key!  I'd heard that can have certain drawbacks, but it sounds essential if one wishes to use a huge HD.  It doesn't look like it's on Aminet, where do you get it?

PS. OS4.0 on your A1200, aye?  Cool!  It must have manageable system requirements for well expanded classic systems.


I just switched from SFS to the new FREE PFS3.  I don't know alot about different file systems but it seem alot of people are raving about this on.  I even when to the trouble to pull my drive out and completely reinstall it.

I believe you can get it on AMINet.
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Re: A1200 PATA EIDE hard drive?
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2011, 12:30:51 AM »
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Well, since this has only in the past few years made an appreciable difference, the SI unit people have clarified the whole GB=1,000,000,000 bytes thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte

And so officially, a Gigabyte is 1,000,000,000 (10^9) bytes, just like a Gigahertz is 1,000,000,000 hertz. A Gibibyte is the binary version (2^30), or 1,073,741,824 bytes. So that hard drive is actually 320 Gigabytes, or 298 Gibibytes.

As an aside, I don't like this system, I have the binary system too well ingrained in my mind from >20 years working with it... But it's something I need to be aware of, as with increasing sizes of storage it's only gonna become a bigger issue.

Back on topic: I also tried a WD Scorpio 60GB in 2 A1200s - no issues with the standard PSU, CD-ROM and Blizzard 1230...


Whoops, I didn't see this one yet.  Whoah, what they did is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of!  Why don't they just go and change a definition from what it's always been, to say nothing of different from what computers actually use.  They had no business trying to change Gigabytes into something they're not.  Their Gibirishbytes is what they should've made into the absurd marketing definition, and left Gigabytes alone.  I've never even heard of all those Gibi, Mebi, etc. nonsense words before.  What's next, we start calling apples oranges, and vice versa?
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Of course you don't like it, how could anyone in their right mind like that.  That's entirely worse than when they changed the meaning of the word planet.  I say we all should band together in a united front against official stupidity!!!  I say it's 298 Gigabytes, and 320 Gibirishbytes!  And so does my computer, so there.
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As for the WD Scorpios, it's no wonder they don't cause any power issues even with the standard PSU.  I think they're exceptionally power efficient, just like they're so quiet.  They're designed for use in battery powered computers afterall.
Amiga Tech. A1200: Apollo 1230/40 MHz & 882/50 MHz, 32 MB fast RAM, WD 298 GB HD (320 SI GB), Sony 1760 KB floppy, Surf Squirrel SCSI-II & buffered  serial, Ricoh CDRW 6x4x24, USR 33.6 Kbps modem, MV1200 scan doubler, Compaq 17" SVGA, KS 3.1, OS3.9 BB1, Genesis 45.7, Miami 3.2b, AWeb 3.5.09 APL

C= A500: 68000, 512 KB chip, 512 KB fast, 880 KB floppy x 2, 1084S, KS 1.3, OS 1.3