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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: Corrie on July 20, 2003, 11:58:48 AM
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Hi All,
I recently bought Freespace and Quake II from a
local Amiga dealer. I was dissapointed to see that
Quake II came in a clear CD cover without any system
requirements printed on a professional looking cover
like Freespace has.
I was further dissapointed to find that the PC version
infact was missing and I only had a PC userguide cd.
The Amiga Quake II cd that I got is copied on a blue coloured
cd and the cd cover looks like it is pirated. I was expecting
a silver cd and a clear professional cd cover print.
So at the end of it, I am still unable to install Quake II due
to the missing PC version and I am a little dissapointed
in the presentation of the Quake II packaging. Does anyone
else find this with Quake II?
I am happy to support Hyperion as they should be commended
for supporting the Amiga platform however when I pay 5 times
the amount for Amiga Quake II than for the PC version nowdays,
I would have expected a more professional presentation, more the same
as they have done with Freespace.
Any thoughts?
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Have you cantacted hyperion before posting this?
Its most likely the amiga version was pressed in small quantities and they have sold out so that may explain why you have a cdr version.
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Well, I was much more disappointed with Freespace...
Crashes constantly, during missions...
Didn't even bother buying their Quake 2 port
(Well, previous experience was so disappointing...)
And in any case, I rather use MorphOS native port of Quake 2
(Haven't tried Freespace on my Pegasos yet, will do so, when I have
enough patience... Hope it does better than on my A1200)
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frreespace is rock solid on my crappy Blizzppc 040 / 603 175.
You can register with hyperion to download the updates which can fix potential problems, same with Q2.
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By the sounds of things it is fairly standard at the moment for legal Amiga software to come on CD-R, but if this is the case it should be made known by the software manufacturer through their website or something.
I would advise asking Hyperion, see what they say.
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I have received a reply from Hyperion, they have
explained that Freespace is a commercial licence
and Quake II is not, therefore the reason for the
packaging.
On the missing Quake II cd, Hyperion have offered
to send a copy.
Overall I am still dissapointed in the packaging
however it has been exaplined to me why it is so.
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We never made a secret about the fact that Quake 2 would come as a bundle of the PC version with a separate CD containing the Amiga version.
Quake 2 is GPL which makes it very difficult to justify the expense of actually licensing the full game and doing a professional pressing.
It was a bit of an experiment on our part, a community support project.
Having said that, you should have received the full Quake 2 PC version in your bundle.
What I find strange is that you do not contact your dealer which sold you the product.
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"You can register with hyperion to download the updates which can fix potential problems, same with Q2."
There were problems with that. AFAIR the registration number on Heretic2 box was outside, and when I bought mine and tried to register it turned out someone has already registered with my serial. (It was very annoying, I even tried to contact Hyperion, but at the end I've asked a fellow Heretic 2 owner to send me the updates)
I don't have major complaints concerning Hyperion softwares (except the initial releases - what will happen if Hyperion won't be anymore, and there will be no place to download the updates anymore?). Most problems remaining after the updates are present in the original versions as well. As to updates needed - sadly it's a custom nowadays, there is such a rush in software development, buggy programs are the standard.
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It is very hard to take you seriously.
First of all, I already pointed out several times that you should contact our developers for support.
Several downloads are available.
More likely that not, you are running some kind of hack wich interfers with Freespace: MCP, Executive or Birdie are likely candidates.
Rather than doing so, you prefer to rubbish our product on a public website.
Secondly, the game was reviewed by a number of independent reviewers and nobody reported this so-called instability.
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Overall I am happy with Hyperion, Freespace runs
100% on my 060/CybervisionPPC. Quake II I am yet
to install when i get my PC cd, but I must commend
Hyperion on their support.
Atleast they have explained themselves well to me.
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No problem with freespace here, low mem may make it packup in the end because of to many other programs running at the same time like Ibrowse2.3 & Amirc.
But some hacks will bring it down like FBlit will kill it on startup.
hmm, You prefer useing the MorphsOs Q2 native version that has less features & has less if any custom mods over the hyperion version that you have never played.
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Freespace worked fine on my A4000/CSPPC/Voodoo3, don't think I had a single crash.
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I rarely post here, but I felt compelled to answer this post.
Both Freespace and QuakeII were reviewed in Total Amiga Magazine, both got great reviews
I have played Freespace on my Amiga1200T(BPPC/BVision) twice through, it's an awesome game which sucks you right in
QuakeII is incredibly smooth on my Amiga. It is a good enjoyable blast, well worth the money.
I feel disappointed in that people post before trying to resolve the issue throught the proper channels. The dealer from whom you brought the package, should have been your first point of contact.
Your post contains a bit of a fishy smell, because as a pegasos user, it looks as though you are trying to discredit Hyperion who are working on OS4.
NOTE: I'm not saying you are! It just appears that way.
Politics aside, I have every single Hyperion Amiga Game, they have all been excellent and well worth the money.
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@Corrie
I am not being funny or anything but you should have asked hyperion first and not posted here, it seems there is a constant witch hunt for amiga related companies, as soon as one thread finishes another is started, this witch hunt thing as well as piracy is most likely why alot of companies/ developers have left the comunity.
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HyperionMP:
Sorry about expressing my personal opinion, which I am obviously not
allowed to have...
Well, I admit, haven't tried newest (quite recently released) update
on my A1200 too much... (Well, some time ago, some weird hardware
problem has been restricting its use, wouldn't use it much anyway,
hasn't been turned on within a month...)
I just got too bored trying to get previous version working... And
believe me, many time, I thought, that "Ah, now it works!" -untill it
crashed, yet again...
(And why bother, it's far too slow on my A1200 to be playable anyway)
Haven't tried it too much on Pegasos yet, haven't got it working yet
too well but that's might be due to settings...
But anyway, forgot what I wrote above - That's opinion, I, as legal
customer, am not allowed to have...
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Mikey_C:
I don't really care anymore, if it works on my A1200 or not, as I
said,"It's too slow anyway"
So, more important would be to get it working on my Pegasos now...
Please note, as I said at the end of my last post:
I haven't much tried it on my Pegasos.
Okay, if you absolutely want to know, it does NOT work...
BUT as I said, that might well becouse of settings...
And becouse of that, I'm not making "public announcement" about it, at
least not before I've tried it a bit more...
At least Heretic II (with new update) works quite fine, so "there is
hope" :-)
As a Pegasos owner, I'm not allowed to have negative feelings about
competitors, yeah, lots of people have been saying that...
But there are reasons, why I'm using competiting products in the first
place...
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It has become very common here on Amiga org for posters to trash amiga related companies.
Some of these companies advertise on this site and I fear that they will withdraw their advertising because they might assume that it can't be the right target audience judging by the hostile posts and needless attacks.
Things that should be discussed privately with the companies involved such as technical support are being brought onto public forums with humiliating title threads.
It can't be a good thing for A.org as this is a community site that needs every contribution it can get to stay in a good position.
There should be fair and equal moderation and when things get out of hand like cursing and personal attacks start the moderators should be more active in removing posts.
I am saying this for the benefit of this site and I can honestly say I do not have any other wish than to see the amiga community act in a mature and civilised way.
If we step back and look at ourselves from a distance it is not a very pretty picture.
Thank you for understanding my concerns.
GadgetMaster
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What NistrousB and others said ;-)
Sincerely,
-Kenneth Straarup.
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But about thread topic...
Even IF the game was sent from Hyperion missing PC version, I dare
say, that reseller should have checked it before selling it forward...
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I played Quake2 at the WOA last year, and it ran far worse than my old p2 266 with voodoo3 could manage.
I don't know the spec of the Amiga I played it on, sorry... perhaps it was only a low wne 603e with a BVision?
Cheers,
Navvie.
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If A.O (and any of the Amiga world) has got to the point where you can't say a bad word about a company because they might withdraw their advertising/funding or whatever its very sad.
Who knows, maybe Freespace and Quake2 got such good reviews in Total Amiga because the guy who did it (I don't read it so...) was worried Hyperion might not send anymore games his way if he wrote bad things about them.
Who knows, maybe his personal opinion of Hyperion biased his review, or maybe he just wanted to give it a good review because Hyperion are one of the few companies still doing something for the Amiga.
Then again, maybe they are just great games.
Cheers,
Navvie.
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It has become very common here on Amiga org for posters to trash amiga related companies.
I will sound a bit strange, but having posts like yours is good. Everyone is a bit sensitive now, and having ppl criticising/defending both "sides" is the sign of a healthy mixture of users here.
This thread is subject to customer support, unless Hyperion denies to help - which is not the case.
Anyway, most Pegasos owners have all Hyperion titles, and have little/no anomisity towards Hyperion. At least that is my impression.
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> I played Quake2 at the WOA last year, and it ran
> far worse than my old p2 266 with voodoo3 could
> manage.
Remember, you're comparing that P2/266 with an intel lx/Bx chipset to a classic amiga. :-D
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hmmm...
I completed Freespace ppc on my setup, with NO crashes what so ever, the only prob i had was when miamidx was running, this bug was fixed a few months ago...
Quake2 , completed it with a pc friend over the inet in multiplayer , never crashes ...its slow and all yes (26-30 fps in 640x480x16) but i didnt expect it to go over 100 fps on my lame 603 cpu, on 604 its better..
on amigaone it will fly :)
so stop complaining unless u have a reason, also the quake 2 release was under gpl and thats why there is 3 diff cd's when u buy it, 1 hyPERION cd (with hyperion exe + installer) and 1 MODS cd and quaKe 2 pC version , i bought mine from vesalia iirc and it was a fair price (30 gbp iirc) , they stated that it would be released like this before they sold it, so i dont see what the fuzz is about,.
you can email me for an unoficial AMIGA DvD case which i have made , i can send u the pictures , but u must print it... , why we did this?? well i hate that it had only a pc cover :) and a blank cd-r case... so i made a 3 cd holder and a dvd case for it..and use the magnificent cover we made :)
also an MESSAGE over this board is ok, you choose...if u want then i will send.
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Navvie Wrote:
Who knows, maybe Freespace and Quake2 got such good reviews in Total Amiga because the guy who did it (I don't read it so...) was worried Hyperion might not send anymore games his way if he wrote bad things about them.
Who knows, maybe his personal opinion of Hyperion biased his review, or maybe he just wanted to give it a good review because Hyperion are one of the few companies still doing something for the Amiga.
Wow! talk about ignorant. If you would take your head out of the clouds for a minute, you'd realise what you have just done is slur one of the finest, impartial, Amiga Magazines, to have ever graced this planet.
Total Amiga Magazine, Doesn't do "Favours" nor is it afraid to put a few noses out of joint when necessary. And when I mean independant, I mean independant. The Latest issue (no.15) not only carries News about Morphos in the news pages. but also carries a "4" Page review of Pegasos/Morphos system. The verdict? "Pretty Good!"
Of course you dare not engage brain before typing something. Typical from a man who slagged of Amiga Quake II, without seeing the updated version. (which considering the system it runs on, is fast and smooth. Yes it is playable)
But then I am informed that you are the very same person who posted (illegally) on your website, an internal Hyperion Quake II beta. Which must have resulted in Hyprion getting a bit annoyed with you. Hence your clear Anti-Hyperion post.
It's so easy to taint people isn't it? Total Amiga Magazine is put together by volunteers, we devote our own spare time and energy to producing one heck of a magazine each issue (No one gets paid). That means we are contributing, something positive to both the Amiga and Pegasos community.
Your claims are vile and disgusting. Do something positive for the community, get lost.
Mikey C
Total Amiga Magazine contributor.
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mikey_C: personal attacking....huff..
anyway i agree that total amiga is unbiased,nice mag indeed.
covers pegasos and amiga properly, hopefully it will keep that as a main thing in the future also.
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lempkee wrote on 2003/7/20 19:56:47
mikey_C: personal attacking....huff..
Yes I know, I'm not proud of the fact, but if you know how much effort, myself and more importantly, everyone else puts into Total Amiga Magazine, you'd be fuming too. :-(
It's very hard to increase circulation, in a virtually dead market. Yet myself and the others at Total Amiga Magazine try hard. Currently we print in the order of 600 odd copies every issue. We are trying to get to 1000 copies per issue, just so that we can go to a better more effective print method.
Believe me it hasn't been easy trying to raise circulation, but we are slowly doing it.
The last thing we want is some ignorant comments being posted around, with no substance whatsoever. :-(
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@Mikey_C
Maybe you should read the GPL and it's explainations before you
use the term "illegal" .....
The issue is so much in the "grey" that anyone shouldn't start acussing anybody about it.
I A.org the right place to pst criticism on Amiga(related) products ?
If not here, where else ?
And it's not unusal for Hyperion to blame any probs with their games on the user, or the user's setup.
Right, or wrong, I can't tell (cos I never used any of those ports), but there clearly is a pattern.
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Nice try in side stepping my main point Kronos old bean.
That being the slur by Navvie on Total Amiga Magazine. Care to talk about that?
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@Mikey_C
How could I do that when I never had a copy of your magacine in my hands.
And it's not about side-stepping, but just pointing out that you should really think
twice of acussing anybody without checking the facts when you want to keep
up an impartial reputation ....
What Navie wrote wasn't nice, but lets be honest your 1st post in these thread was just
unwise invitation to what followed.
As an independent journalist, you should be the last one to act as white knight, and surely
the very last to try to accuse the original poster of having an agenda just to defend the
"other side".
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Mikey_C you're saying that magazines are never
biased about anything? I've read lots of things
in magazines that were completely untrue...or
just outright ridiculous..not to say that about
yours specifically (becasue I haven't read it)
but I think that as humans in general
it's difficult to be 'completely', "110%"
unbiased about everything in life.
This is my personal OPINION of how I see it.
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I think some people have taken this a little
too far. I have emailed both the local store
and Hyperion about the missing cd, that is no
major drama, however I am sorry if people have
misunderstood me.
I am still of the opinion that some nicer packaging
would have been great for Quake II. It has been
explained to me the legal reasons why and I thank
Hyperion for their reply.
However my own personal opinion is that the
packaging would have looked better as the way
they have done Freespace. I am sorry and apologise
to any reader if they believe that my posting was
to openly discredit Hyperion, because it certainly
was not.
I am expressing my own personal feeling on the matter.
I have contacted the store from where I purchased
QuakeII, all that has been done. I still feel as a
consumer I have the right to express a personal feeling
regarding an amiga matter on here, right?
I did not invisage that a post about my own
experience would eventuate into an attack on Hyperion.
IT WAS NOT POSTED FOR THAT PURPOSE!
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@lempkee:
you can email me for an unoficial AMIGA DvD case which i have made , i can send u the pictures , but u must print it... , why we did this?? well i hate that it had only a pc cover :) and a blank cd-r case... so i made a 3 cd holder and a dvd case for it..and use the magnificent cover we made :)
Hey, would it be possible for you to upload those to the pictures section? I bet it would be a popular download.
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@corrie:
Always remember the amiga is a troll-friendly zone. If you post something negative about someone on one of the camps, trolls from the other side will happily jump in an "help" you. The only way to mitigate this is to word any such posts very carefully. Eg if I bought a complete Pegasos, the case was all scratched and I posted this under "Disappointed with Genesi", I would expect a 100+ post flamefest.
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codesmith: i dont think hyperion would like that, must ask em first.
anyway for personal usage etc, just email me and i will send.. but not for spread on web untill i have checked with hyperion.
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I paid 70 pound for photogenics and that was a labelled cdr disc and only just over 7 meg used space on it. :-? :-)
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I paid 70 pound for photogenics and that was a labelled cdr disc and only just over 7 meg used space on it.
i got that one to, BARGAIN!
id rather have 7mb worth every bit then lets say 1000+ photos extra on the disc? :)
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@lempkee:
[EDITED, I forgot about my earlier post :oops: ]
If it's your own original artwork, I don't think they should mind too much. Don't worry about it if you think it will cause problems. Especially after all the IP threads we've been having lately :-D
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hmm, You prefer useing the MorphsOs Q2 native version that has less features & has less if any custom mods over the hyperion version that you have never played
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Alkemyst, I own all Hyperion titles AND like them. The Q2
port is very good.
BUT! The MorphOS Q2 port has every feature you would
expect, minus the mods (only a few ported).
Please do not talk about stuff you haven't tried.
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There should be fair and equal moderation and when things get out of hand like cursing and personal attacks start the moderators should be more active in removing posts.
Personal attacks are always removed or edited evenly. In the context of this post i don't see how we could remove it? There are no personal attacks, just someone's opinion. There is no outright trolling. If i was to delete this thread people would scream censorship. Please keep in mind we don't delete negative coments about bbrv or Genesi unless they contain personal attacks.
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I still feel as a
consumer I have the right to express a personal feeling
regarding an amiga matter on here, right?
Yup, don't worry about that. People are just sensitive right now.
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Alkemyst, I own all Hyperion titles AND like them. The Q2
port is very good.
BUT! The MorphOS Q2 port has every feature you would
expect, minus the mods (only a few ported).
Please do not talk about stuff you haven't tried.
I dont have to try something before i can talk about it & express my opinion of it from what i have seen & been told, which is something you do all the time Alkis Tsapanidis.
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redrumloa wrote:
.... There are no personal attacks, just someone's opinion. There is no outright trolling. If i was to delete this thread people would scream censorship. Please keep in mind we don't delete negative coments about bbrv or Genesi unless they contain personal attacks.
Its not just this thread that I am talking about the tone in general on amiga.org that has changed. I mean the swear word filter hardly ever got used before but I now see it adding asterisks left right and centre.
I know that the moderators generally do a great job and it is not an easy job and I know that you treat Genesi the same way i.e only personal attacks are removed from threads.
I have no reason to 'hate' any company. I have been dissapointed with some but not to the extent that I make it my mission in life to continuosly attack them.
My concern would equally apply to Genesi if people were needlessly attacking them on this forum to the extent that they decided to withdraw their advertising it would only harm this site no one else.
And anyway the original poster has made his position clear he did not mean this to be an attack its just that certain individuals had to "Jump In" because they saw this as a good chance to sling some mud at Hyperion.
I guess it can't be avoided. :crazy:
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AmiGR:
Sorry, I forgot...
Of course, I should buy Hyperion version to see, if it's any better
than free one!
And about having tried that, I really haven't played much... It's just
sooo boring...
(As 3D FPS shooters usually are)
Yeah... Every Linux user should buy Microsoft Windows XP to see, if
it's any better...
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Alkemyst wrote:
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Alkemyst, I own all Hyperion titles AND like them. The Q2
port is very good.
BUT! The MorphOS Q2 port has every feature you would
expect, minus the mods (only a few ported).
Please do not talk about stuff you haven't tried.
I dont have to try something before i can talk about it & express my opinion of it from what i have seen & been told, which is something you do all the time Alkis Tsapanidis.
Oh come on... Both versions are great. (Tried both) As to the mods, even Hyperion has run into legal trouble with many of them... AFAIR
The bad thing is Q2 mods are different from Q1 mods and are platform dependant, so you need someone to port them over. Problems arise then with source availability, programmer willness, legal issues with the mod authors etc... It was way easier with the platform independent Q1 mods.
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codesmith: ermm well , the cover say Hyperion , it say AMIGA port of Quake2 , it SAY gpl... it say AMIGA , it has pictures and logo's for all who worked on it... it has specs and review scores (amiga)..
i think i should ask before i spread em widely, it was made for personal use...not for everyone,sorry i dont want anyone to get in trouble and i dont want anyone to be mad either, so just hang in there.....or email me..
until then...i wont upload the pictures to an website.
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>As to the mods, even Hyperion has run into legal trouble >with many of them... AFAIR
Sorry, that's incorrect.
The fact of the matter is that the Quake 2 EULA only allows distribution of Quake 2 mods from end-user to end-user.
That is the only "legal trouble" we have had with those mods.
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alot of b.s in this thread now! ...huff..
why attack hyperion like this? , releasing fud etc? ,seriously they are the only "proper" porting team on amiga atm ..imho.
sure they are slow, but thats a hw restriction.
sure they port old stuff, but would u like to have brand new games running at 1 fps ? ,seriously i dont like slideshows called games.
and if quake 2 met legal probs with mods packs then ..ROFL! , wonder why there is so much support for it then.
and as all know, the mos port was done after the amiga port (hyperion) , typical ..hey let them do the dirty work and we just take the amigasource and port it....
seriously i have no major issues with mos , but all theese claims are starting to @$@% me off!
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lempkee:
>alot of b.s in this thread now!
/me agrees on that
>and as all know, the mos port was done after the amiga port (hyperion)
Are you saying, that if person A ports GPL game to platform A,
person B may not port same game to platform B?
>typical ..hey let them do the dirty work and we just take the amigasource and port it....
Ah, serious claim... But luckily you're here to provide proof for it?
(And even if it was true, there would be NOTHING illegal...)
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lempkee:
I did a bit of research on the matter...
-On Aminet, Quake 2 (Hyperion port) source's age is 31
-MorphOS version of Quake 2 was demonstrated on Pegasos machines in
Aachen show early december last year.
(There should be pictures of that available, if you bother to search)
(You should be able to do some "simple maths" with those numbers)
(I got the info from author of MOS port and AmiNet)
After the MOS port will be released to public, you can study and
compare the 2 (different, I'd say) Quake 2 sources for yourself, and
hey, don't forget possibility to port it to AmigaOS! :-)
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jupp3:
>Are you saying, that if person A ports GPL game to platform A,
person B may not port same game to platform B?
nothing bad with that , its just a way of showing ignorance , we will do it to every mos game that comes :)
>Ah, serious claim... But luckily you're here to provide proof for it?
(And even if it was true, there would be NOTHING illegal...)
VERY true , its just about , why didnt the quake 2 mos people make another game really? , they could have ported duke nukem 3d while hyperion did quake 2 , its not really THAT crowded with serious porters/game teams at either mos or aos.
anyway what proof do u want? , check any of the source codes, ofcourse the mos version is a fast port, or are you saying that the mos port took about 1 year before it was released ? .
what more proof do u need? , if you have any countertrike proof let me know so that i wont be spreading fud.
btw should'nt you be on MOS.org(or whatever its called) , i seriously think alot of the mos people are bored at that board :)
anyway enjoy your time but we dont need wars unless you want it to be.
ALL:
anyway b.s makes me sick and tired, so keep hitting me and in the end i will leave amiga and pegasos and just stick to developing for consoles, i know alot more people will do that in the end if this keeps up. (and that comming from me is strong words..)
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I did a bit of research on the matter...
-On Aminet, Quake 2 (Hyperion port) source's age is 31
-MorphOS version of Quake 2 was demonstrated on Pegasos machines in
Aachen show early december last year.
(There should be pictures of that available, if you bother to search)
(You should be able to do some "simple maths" with those numbers)
(I got the info from author of MOS port and AmiNet)
After the MOS port will be released to public, you can study and
compare the 2 (different, I'd say) Quake 2 sources for yourself, and
hey, don't forget possibility to port it to AmigaOS!
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wrong , i beta tested quake 2 at this time last year, if not even longer ago.
it was released in november 2002 at woase. (quake2 by hyperion)
the source code was released the same day under gpl liscense..
anyway if what you are saying, then kewl ...mos people can do ports in less than 4 weeks time...awesome for such complex games ..i SeriOUSLy hope they port more now as that will then make me very happy, descent 2 , descent 3 , descent freespace 2 ..all is open for porting.
duke nukem 3d also , racer is another one...
i could go on and on..
btw.. quake 2 was demonstrated on amigaos and classic hw (bppc/csppc /w3d) even before pegasos hw was out...
also , if what you are saying...is correct, then quake 2 mos is illegal , AS when the game is out under a gpl liscense , THE SOURCES should be out te same minute, i will go and request em NOW!...
cheers
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@lempkee
While expecting others not to attack hyperion and spread fud, please restrict yourself from the same concerning MOS. What I stated still stands, and I don't even care if the MOS port is based on the Hyperion sources, I tried both and both is fine, that's it.
As to legal troubles, by that I meant that (my impression, and that's why I used "AFAIR") the many mods freely available for the Hyperion Quake2 suddenly disappeared.
Point out please where I blamed Hyperion.
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>wrong , i beta tested quake 2 at this time last year, if not even
>longer ago.
Umm, what exactly is wrong? It seems you're refering to some claim, I
didn't make...
>it was released in november 2002 at woase. (quake2 by hyperion)
Guess, that's true :-)
>the source code was released the same day under gpl
...But that's not.
Sources were NOT distributed with Quake 2, and neither were they
freely available somewhere...
iirc, you needed to have binary of Hyperions' port (bought or not) and
only then you could request the sources...
Eventually, someone did that, and uploaded them to AmiNet
(as I said before)
>anyway if what you are saying, then kewl ...mos people can do ports
>in less than 4 weeks time...
Well, I did NOT say that... IF you do some maths with first public
Quake 2 MOS version demonstration and day, Hyperions' sources were
made available, you'll end up with NEGATIVE number
(But I guess that just proves, MOS developers are even faster? :-) )
>i SeriOUSLy hope they port more now as that will then make me very
>happy, descent 2 , descent 3 , descent freespace 2 ..all is open for
>porting. duke nukem 3d also , racer is another one...
Yep, of course, if any of those games will get ported to any platform,
and results are made public, you're absolutely free to request their
source codes...
>also , if what you are saying...is correct, then quake 2 mos is
>illegal , AS when the game is out under a gpl liscense , THE SOURCES
>should be out te same minute, i will go and request em NOW!...
Eh...?
It is publicly known (And also mentioned in this thread) that beta
version of Hyperion's Quake 2 port was leaked during development
(Just like with MOS port now)
BUT did Hyperion provide sources immediately after that leak?
I dare doubt that...
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I follow amiga avidly. But reading the lastfew posts on this page have led me to become annoyed. No wonder people refuse to port things to Amiga if this is the sort of bickering that goes on. It would seem to me that there is no community spirit any more. why port a game twice for the same system? am i missing something. this is just stupid when there are so many other games that could be ported. maybe we should have a big hat and each porter should pick a game out of the hat and develop that one. blah
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Ehm, why do people have to fight over... PORTS!?
There are two VERY good ports for 2 different
API compatible platforms! Why do people have to think
that one "stole" code!? I have both ports for quite
a long time, they both rock. No port is inferior.
Get over it. No code was stolen.
DO NOT FIGHT OVER STUPID THINGS!!!!
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@ORBSTAH
Welcome to Amiga.org! i hope you enjoy your stay :-)
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BTW this has gotten off the original topic. If anyone has anything to say on the original topic, please do it now. I see no reason to have a thread in triple digits with a topic like "Disapointed in Hyperion", when the thread isn't even on that topic really:-)
So say it now, or start a new thread. This topic will self destruct in 10...9...8...
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jupp: i aint talking about stolen betas , i am talking about releasing something under gpl , and myself like many others (i guess) requested the sources for the hyperion port of quake 2 ,
and you all of a sudden claims there is not a mos port now ? , ok so its in beta , that proves i aint following quake 2 mos port since most of all i was led to what u wrote that IT WAS RELEASED (full game) for mos.
so basically you can't buy this for mos yet, so buy hyperion port and stop moaning , but all i know is that it wont run other than in sw mode on most 3d cards due to no support for them...
voodoo3 works i guess.. but i aint sure.
hyperion released the source code the same day it went officially on sale , under gpl rights ...to all who buy it or to all who request em per email/mail etc.
also i was never talking about a leaked (STOLEN) beta , sure i knew one was out for hyperion version but that shows more of how to thrust people at this point ,also if this happened to mos version..well then its the same guy (MY GUESS) .
anyway i will stop answering here now i guess, since we are off topic, but i will request the sources the day its released out of curiosity, but then again it wont be as spectacular as it was before i got to know it was a lEAKED mos release, since that doesnt bend over due to gpl issues.
sorry for all the fuzz and slaughtering, but i guess alot of other people also got upset in here due to what was written by OTHERS than me, and some on me i guess...
pps:good luck on the quake2 mos version,i hope it will live up to whats expected and that people will actually use it (since there is allready 1 leaked hyperion version , 1 leaked mos version and finally 1 commercial (gpl) version from hyperion.
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amigr: sorry but u should know that (since u beta it) that porting the same game twice is crazy when we are allready limited to a few people to do the work, sure if its better then no prob.
but why not just port something we need instead? , like compressors / more games ]/ apps etc.
anyway the discussion was who ported it first, hypeion did, that u should know better than all the other in this thread..
anyway i give up for now... close thread....dead end.