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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2010, 10:46:32 PM »
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The day they go x86 i'll probably run OS4. I don't get why people wants to buy overpriced "dongles" to run it.


Have you tried AROS ?
 

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2010, 10:50:46 PM »
I did and it's starting to become usable... But MOS and OS4 feels more complete.
 

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2010, 11:03:10 PM »
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I did and it's starting to become usable... But MOS and OS4 feels more complete.


I think the problem is that after spending who knows how long porting it to x86, and then trying to get applications to run or new ones written... OS4 or MOS might not really be all that much more usable.
 

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2010, 11:07:30 PM »
get over yourself its his company he decides what happens you just want something for free
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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2010, 11:09:47 PM »
well said brother me too seems like old days ones with loudest voices are ones that
never put money to buy new hardware they bang on about how expensive hardware is, before that complaining no hardware
never please everone , l spent thousands on dvds some may think thats waste money its people choices what spend there money on
they want company to do all work for them then on whim after spent years of effort oh yeah lets just waste all that go x86 please
if ran biz it be bankrupt no time with that  attitude, for amiga to surive it needs point diffrence going x86 wont do that just be yet another pc clone
what company needs is strong leader who has vision why you think it took steve jobs to come back to save mac , not somone listens to ever
person that frankly probley never buy amiga product anyway banging on about what he wants
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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2010, 11:10:11 PM »
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get over yourself its his company he decides what happens you just want something for free


Where the hell did that come from?
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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2010, 11:16:09 PM »
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well said brother me too seems like old days ones with lundest voices are ones that
never put money to buy new hardware


ROTFL

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2010, 12:39:12 AM »
It's quite interesting to see how personally some people can take comments questioning business pragmatism. It's also interesting to see how far some of us have fallen, from having the classic Amiga as the benchmark to having Amiga Inc's 5 years of waste as the benchmark. In which case, any new thing is automatically deserving of our utmost and unquestionable devotion.

Here's another marketing term everyone should be familirar with, be it consumers or producers, free or for profit; Consumer Confidence.

Moving OS4 to x86 would be a large undertaking, I estimate that it would take $1M. The kind of money that hasn't been invested in the Amiga for a long time. The kind of money that people immediately understand to be serious, beyond the mere vanity and hobby interest. At $75 a pop Mr Hermans would need 13,333 buyers to make the investment back. With hardware costing in the realm of $500 rather than $1,500 I bet you'd find a lot more interested buyers.

That, my fellow Amigans is what I would consider an 'Ambitious Project', one that actually builds new products and consumer confidence.
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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2010, 02:51:52 AM »
I just want the Amiga IP opened to the community.  There's no real money to be made and no new prospective customers.  The community that has kept the various Amiga owners in business all these years would be better served by having the software and hardware open-sourced.  If that doesn't happen, the 'real' Amiga will wither away while AROS flourishes.
 

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2010, 02:54:20 AM »
btw, what about how the infamous x1k multicore support, any news except that you may run linux on the other core in paralell? master bruce, can i be of further assistance or will that be all? how embrassing.
 

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2010, 03:34:31 AM »
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The day Amiga goes x86 is the day I retire from the scene.


Is that a threat or a promise?  ;-)
 

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2010, 03:41:21 AM »
@all

When did amiga.org turn into the old amigaworld.net? Things used to be a lot less contentious around here.
 

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2010, 04:58:02 AM »
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As stated at AmiWest 2010, they still have no interest in x86.

I suppose selling a handful outdated slow overpriced computers somehow makes them more money than selling good software that runs on fast commodity hardware.

Greed > user experience.

Unbelievable.


Well if you were an Amiga user back in the day,you may just get why some of us DO NOT WANT x86!

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2010, 05:59:52 AM »
Ok, I was on the verge of trolling.

I had the intention of reporting what he said at AmiWest, but it had more of my opinion than it did facts.

Sorry about that.
 

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2010, 06:40:17 AM »
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Well if you were an Amiga user back in the day,you may just get why some of us DO NOT WANT x86!


Some people think that graphics cards and processors > 68000 are traitorous.
 

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Re: Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86
« Reply #44 from previous page: October 24, 2010, 08:24:17 AM »
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Well if you were an Amiga user back in the day,you may just get why some of us DO NOT WANT x86!

But don`t worry there`s always CommodoreUSA for ya,go knock yourself out with that junk.

I want both and like BeOS was at the end. We'll see which one is more popular. Maybe if BeOS had gone x86 sooner, they wouldn't dead and torn limb from limb, then have some company take a wiss on their grave.:(
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