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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2013, 08:11:05 PM »
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I currently have the choice of 4.3 with no camera light, touch screen bugs & random battery drain because google keep trying to keep devices on all the time or 4.2.2 with random reboots due to a buggy wifi driver.
 
For both of those google maps doesn't work well for some reason the screen just jumps around. Neither one of them supports the FM radio either. There are other bugs and missing functionality, but those are the ones that really affect me.


IMHO if you're having that many problems you need to hard reset the device and start over again from scratch with a fresh install of only the core apps you use.  That or buy an iPhone, because Android clearly isn't the operating system for you.  ;)
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2013, 08:21:14 PM »
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It's just a tool to get work done with. All this brand loyalty stuff is beyond me.


Hang on... Where are we? ;) :lol:

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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2013, 08:22:45 PM »
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I get the point that Microsoft are not as dominate as they use to be, but terminal decline???
It may indeed be a little premature for such a declaration. On the other hand, MS are quite thoroughly alienating themselves from their existing customer base in pursuit of a market that they have consistently failed to get a foothold in for well over a decade now. That's what's known in technical circles as "Wile E. Coyote sawing the tree limb out from under himself."
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2013, 08:23:08 PM »
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IMHO if you're having that many problems you need to hard reset the device and start over again from scratch with a fresh install of only the core apps you use. That or buy an iPhone, because Android clearly isn't the operating system for you. ;)

I already hard reset it when upgrading to 4.2.2 and then when downgrading from 4.3 to 4.2.2. If you're suggesting that I'm doing something wrong then I can point you to the bug list.
 
Android clearly isn't the operating system for someone that expects updates and for the updates to work. Apple seem quite good at it, but there stuff is expensive for what it is.
 
So I've got Microsoft and FirefoxOS to choose from. But as FirefoxOS is aiming at low end devices with rubbish cameras, it will probably be a Microsoft phone.
 
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On the other hand, MS are quite thoroughly alienating themselves from their existing customer base in pursuit of a market that they have consistently failed to get a foothold in for well over a decade now.

They aren't alienating many people. There are some type A personalities that complain about the start screen, but most windows 8 users ignore them. The sheep might not upgrade because someone told them that they should be outraged about the start screen. Most of their existing customer base isn't about to buy a new computer or operating system anyway.
 
Just because they haven't managed to get a foot hold in the tablet market doesn't mean they shouldn't try. They were too expensive with their first tablets & didn't have the right UI, they do appear to have then given up at that point. That was their mistake, not trying to get into the market now.
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2013, 08:29:47 PM »
I like how your argument boils down to "nobody dislikes Windows 8 except for all the people who dislike Windows 8, and they're all either haters or sheep so they don't count." Very sensible.
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2013, 08:41:28 PM »
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Hang on... Where are we? ;) :lol:


Last time I checked I was a heretic who preferred the alternatives to the brand name. ;)

My contract is up for renewal and it doesn't look like I'll be able to get a Jolla device so I might be tempted to get an iPhone 5 as long as I can jail break it. :)
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2013, 08:42:15 PM »
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I like how your argument boils down to "nobody dislikes Windows 8 except for all the people who dislike Windows 8, and they're all either haters or sheep so they don't count." Very sensible.


Yay we finally find common ground John. :D
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2013, 08:44:18 PM »
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I like how your argument boils down to "nobody dislikes Windows 8 except for all the people who dislike Windows 8, and they're all either haters or sheep so they don't count." Very sensible.

No my argument is that they can't be alienating the majority of their customer base because the majority of them aren't looking to buy a new OS.
 
The sheep hated Windows 95 because of the Start Menu when it was added. They'll hate Windows 8 because it's removed. They all come round in the end after they get over themselves. There were people who insisted that they preferred using Program Manager http://toastytech.com/guis/win95progman.png, it didn't last long though as eventually their fake outrage wasn't funny enough to justify the pain.
 
google has even preserved some of their indignation with Microsoft for adding the start menu for you https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.win95.shellui/MEBAy63Qlbc/dp23ffmNQ0gJ
 
People being upset about windows 8 is a non event, if you can't see that then you're ignoring history.
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2013, 12:45:42 AM »
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The sheep hated Windows 95 because of the Start Menu when it was added. They'll hate Windows 8 because it's removed. They all come round in the end after they get over themselves. There were people who insisted that they preferred using Program Manager http://toastytech.com/guis/win95progman.png, it didn't last long though as eventually their fake outrage wasn't funny enough to justify the pain.
Okay, so we've gone from "nobody hates Windows 8 except for all the people who hate Windows 8, and they don't count" to "they don't count because of what different people thought eighteen years ago."

Convincing.
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2013, 01:38:44 AM »
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Okay, so we've gone from "nobody hates Windows 8 except for all the people who hate Windows 8, and they don't count" to "they don't count because of what different people thought eighteen years ago."
 
Convincing.

How people reacted is very relevant. Where are the huge number of people who hate the Start Menu and demanding Program Manager? The same place the people who hate the Start Screen and want the Start Menu back will end up, they'll just get over it.
 
You can't make progress if you worry about a few angry people.
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #55 on: September 12, 2013, 01:56:57 AM »
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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2013, 06:56:38 AM »
I've heard Classic Shell on Sourceforge.net makes Windows 8 almost tolerable.
 

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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2013, 07:07:05 AM »
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Problem being - Windows originally came out in 1985 (1.0)...
 

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Re: What's behind Microsoft's fall from dominance?
« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2013, 07:10:15 AM »
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I've heard Classic Shell on Sourceforge.net makes Windows 8 almost tolerable.


I've got a dozen things in my WBStartup drawer to make AmigaOS almost tolerable, is that the same thing?  ;)

j/k, no hack will resolve Windows 8's incompatibilities with certain enterprise apps (insert other long list of complaints here), so that still makes it a no-go for my company.

In a semi-related note, I do freelance IT work in addition to my main job.  Just today had another customer contact me requesting to downgrade him from Windows 8 back to 7.  This particular person's complaint?  Jerky DVD playback with third-party applications, because Windows 8 no longer includes DVD playback capabilities as standard.  I *hate* DVD's, and even I facepalmed when I saw this decision by Microsoft.  :p
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