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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: on April 29, 2003, 04:16:01 PM
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Anyone know how to?
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To the best of my knowledge, the 20 $299.00 motherboards are long gone. Sorry.
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Sorry mon, a tad bit late : {
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To the best of my knowledge, the 20 $299.00 motherboards are long gone. Sorry.
This evaluation board you have Wayne, when it goes back eventually along with all the other reviewers boards, will they be sold cheaply by Genesi? Does anyone know? BBRV???
Me wants one now! I due to come into a bit of cash shortly but I can't wait for that to happen. I want a Pegasos ASAP!
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Email me.
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Greenboy would be the best to answer in this case. I have nothing to do with it. I think that they would probably be used for development, but that's my guess. I wouldn't think they would send "used" boards out to customers.
As for "my" board, all that has been said was "here is a board for you to evaluate. Feel free to review it, as well as MorphOS. We'll be more than happy to help you with setting it up and to answer any questions you might have."
That to me says that they would eventually want their board back, hence the term "for you to evaluate", and not "as a gift". Who knows? I might be wrong. I'm still gathering parts to assemble it.
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I've seen people selling their pegasoses, so the second-hand pegasoses exist already. And the price should not be any higher than $299 (+local tax)
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I've seen people selling their pegasoses, so the second-hand pegasoses exist already. And the price should not be any higher than $299 (+local tax)
Anyone in the UK want to sel me theirs?
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;-) Try posting an ad in Amiga.org's classified section. Anyone who was already disenchanted with his peggy would probably look there first.
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>Anyone know how to?
You can't. They were canceled before they wen't on the market. All that were sold were preorders so they would know how many to make and they went to the truely gullible and to developers. There is only 600 in existance. Half of them have been sent back already for repair to the April chip. (really to exchange the chip because it didnt work)
You could ask Bill Buck a few questions but be prepared to be insulted and have to give your personal info out so he can run a backround check on you. Then insulted on public forums. Been done to a number of people. (i suppose i'm about to be the target of a character assasination now too, watch.)
He promised me a G4 Pegasos and tried to sell me a G3 alpha board. Good luck to you.
Ivan
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Ivan wrote:
There is only 600 in existance. Half of them have been sent back already for repair to the April chip. (really to exchange the chip because it didnt work)
Looks like someone else can`t be bothered to read announcements and news posts..
The original April chips DID work...then they found even more bugs in the Articia chip which meant they needed updating..
BTW, regarding Genesi`s original decision not to make a G4 cpu module...
AFAIK They said because of a problem with the Articia, G4`s wouldn`t run at full chaff... Then they announce a G4 module for the Peg1 , so what`s changed??
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>Looks like someone else can`t be bothered to read announcements and news posts..
I read them. Like i said, the salesman told me i could buy a G4, what he slid across the table to me was G3.
>The original April chips DID work...then they found even more bugs in the Articia chip which meant they needed updating..
Yes the first April chips worked but they didnt fix the Pegasos. The systems they already sold needed to be repaired with the April1. That's why i called them alpha boards, not to be insulting but, because they were never fully tested before they shipped and had a number of problems. Then they had to exchange the chips again with the April2 and more people had to ship boards back. And it still needs more fixes, or they would have the G4 motherboards they told us we could buy.
I don't wan't to take sides in a camp or anything but i'll mention it for comparison. There is another Arctica based motherboard out there with G4 cpus and the owners of these boards have all said that the bugs plagueing the Pegasos are not present on thier machine. So maybe an April3 will eventually get things sorted for the Peg. (and i really hope it does)
>BTW, regarding Genesi`s original decision not to make a G4 cpu module...
>AFAIK They said because of a problem with the Articia, G4`s wouldn`t run at full chaff... Then they announce a G4 module for the Peg1 , so what`s changed??
Everythings changed. And top it off with alot of waffling around from Genesi.
I was sold on a G4 not a G3. It's called bait and switch. You go in for a $15,000 Caprice (it's a car) and are sold a $5,000 second hander because of some glitch that just popped up. You still can't buy a G4 Pegasos. That's my point.
Still, Genesi couldn't sell G4 systems in good concience ok, fair enough, they had integration problems with the chipsets they used. While selling them i might add. Other manufacturers have made systems work with Arcticas and VIAs but in the case of the Pegasos there is a fatal flaw. Hence the end of the systems. But they will still sell you G4 CPU cards (eventually) that would be just the same as a G4 system with all it's faults. Something smells VERY funny with that. Especially since i was told right up to the last minute that "oh yes, it will be a G4, don't worry, there are no problems with the Pegasos, it's all fixed now". I was lied to.
- We have G4 systems. Wait, here's April.
- We have more problems with the G4, send the board in again. April2.
- April2 fixed all bugs. We just got more Arcticas, act now, dont delay, hurry, limited supply. (it sounded like an infomercial)
- We don't have G4's. The Pegasos was cancelled.
- We will sell you the G4 seperatly.
Why not just ship the systems with the G4 module installed? If you can sell a G4 module, you can sell a G4 system. Unfortunatly, by the end of this fiasco the system was cancelled and now nobody can buy a G4. In the future there will be a CPU upgrade, but at what cost and will it work?
Yes i'm critical. I even understand that Genesi did thier best and i give credit for that. But, i won't tell mdma that there are no problems. He's going to have to search hard for a Pegasos because a) they arent being made anymore and there is only 600 worldwide b) there may still be unresolved problems and c) there is definate problems with G4's on them.
So, mdma, good luck.
Ivan
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Ivan, so you are saying BBRV tried to sell you a G3 Pegasos as a G4 Pegasos? As I strolled through the verbiage it seemed either a few pronouns and names were missing...
The rest of it: Wow - is this Candid Camera? ; }
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>Ivan, so you are saying BBRV tried to sell you a G3 Pegasos as a G4 Pegasos? As I strolled through the verbiage it seemed either a few pronouns and names were missing...
I suggest you reread my posts. You clearly misunderstood them the first time. Genesi (pre Genesi even) did offer a G4 system. That's undeniable. Surf over to ann.lu and you will still see a pic of a motherboard and G4 planted on thier banner. The only hitch is, the G4 Pegasos dosen't exist. Yes, showing a motherboard with G4 printed underneath it is 'selling G4 systems'.
>The rest of it: Wow - is this Candid Camera? ; }
Like i said, watch for the character assasination. I'm suprised the defensive attitude and smart remarks didnt come right after my first post. Well, anyone with an opinion in the Amiga scene today has to be labled and hacked down.
Ivan
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Actually I skimmed like crazy because I have a few deadlines and such. Any person who got a Pegasos through me at least knew exactly what they were getting for how much - or should have - since I took care to describe it clearly to them.
So, I guess I don't understand how YOU had so much trouble, since I had no problems whatsoever finding out what was available and what the manufactuer said ; }
...I think you've put some composite together from a jumble of info and mis-info so I am reluctant to actually read deeper, knowing that my poor beleagured mind could become similarly confused. Also I must admit that my time could be spent better actually working with people who appreciate it.
Thank you : }
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greenboy garbled:
Actually I skimmed like crazy because I have a few deadlines and such. Any person who got a Pegasos through me at least knew exactly what they were getting for how much - or should have - since I took care to describe it clearly to them.
So, I guess I don't understand how YOU had so much trouble, since I had no problems whatsoever finding out what was available and what the manufactuer said ; }
...I think you've put some composite together from a jumble of info and mis-info so I am reluctant to actually read deeper, knowing that my poor beleagured mind could become similarly confused. Also I must admit that my time could be spent better actually working with people who appreciate it.
Thank you : }
:-( Greenboy, I thought better of you.
:-? Are you seriously explaining that you refuse to take the time to actually read Ivan’s complaint because he was unhappy with his experience? Do you stand behind your products only when the customer is happy?
:evil: The practice of turning away every complainant, and labeling him a “trouble maker” is unconscionable. It simply isn’t done.
Your message reminds me of the old saw about a “lifetime warranty” being limited by the lifetime of the product; the warranty expires the minute there is trouble. However, in your case, it seems that you are serious!
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lets face if they were not cheap you would not even
think of buying one ? ;-)
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All that were sold were preorders so they would know how many to make and they went to the truely gullible and to developers.
There were no preorders. Genesi did not take any mony in advance for Pegasos I motherboards. Individual resellers may have, but that would be between them and their customers; actually, I haven't heard of this happening either, though. "The truely gullible"? Well, it's a PowerPC motherboard. The buyers are the same people, in many cases, buying AmigaOnes, so call them what you like. AFAIK the production numbers for the Pegasos I board were determined by technical factors on the supply side, not market ones. In any case, the number of buyers was not the determining factor. If it was, they'd still be selling, because there is still demand. You are correct that the initial market was/is developers.i suppose i'm about to be the target of a character assasination now too, watch.
Nice illustration of why people would want to flame you. I assume mdma will be in better control than this. :-)He promised me a G4 Pegasos and tried to sell me a G3 alpha board.
Surely you realize this is the early stages of product development. The boards offered have been, all along, for developers and early adoptors. (Similarly, reading the AmigaOne list at Yahoo groups reveals the same pattern of glitches and solutions for that board.) Whether you want to call it an alpha or beta or whatever is up to you. This early in the product development cycle, specs change. Early adopters are expected to be ready for that. I can only say there are hundreds of apparently satisfied new owners of Pegasos I boards now. (I say "apparently" because I've only heard directly from several dozen so far.) Sorry your personal experience was so disappointing, but, looking at the overall situation, you seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
-- gary_c
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Quixote, OK - I'm reading, I'm reading! ; } But realize that I am not a salesperson, reseller, or a placer of adverts, or shaper of policy in any of those regards.
...Ok, I read this far: "They were canceled before they wen't on the market."
Wrong.
"All that were sold were preorders"
Wrong.
"so they would know how many to make"
Wrong.
"and they went to the truely gullible and to developers"
Wrong-headed.
And now that I have affirmed I am dealing with some pretty strange crap in the very first chunk of text, I am content that I made the right decision. It's not like this was an honest customer and I was a salesperson. Nice try though.
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greenboy granted:
Quixote, OK - I'm reading, I'm reading! ; }...
...I am content that I made the right decision.
;-) Thank you. That's all we ask.
There is no rule that states that you must agree with what others say, but it's only fair to know what the other fellow has said before you gainsay it.
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@Ivan
a) Nowhere will you find a price-quote for a Pegasos-G4, and
that why you can't claim they had been offered. Only G3s have
been offered, and that was/is wht you get.
b) Pegasos without April does work, and one with April1 works so
good that I see no need to replace mine.
c) Noone has yet seen anything more than CPU-centric benches
about the A1-G4 working, and noone ver said that the G4 wouldn't act
like a G4 in an Articia-based mobo. But also noone has sofar
tested (and told the public)what happens if you but some real stress
to the mobo.
d) Who needs a PPC just to run Linux :-P
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Ivan wrote:
>Anyone know how to?
You can't. They were canceled before they wen't on the market. All that were sold were preorders so they would know how many to make and they went to the truely gullible and to developers.
Strange. A friend of mine ordered his pegasos when those were already manufactured and available at the dealers. And received it a few weeks before. Just as simple.
Yes the first April chips worked but they didnt fix the Pegasos. The systems they already sold needed to be repaired with the April1.
You're clearly mixing things up, or it was just a wording mistake? "Worked", "but didn't fix", "needed to be repaired" - all concerning the same April patch. Would you mind clearing up?
That's why i called them alpha boards, not to be insulting but, because they were never fully tested before they shipped and had a number of problems. Then they had to exchange the chips again with the April2 and more people had to ship boards back. And it still needs more fixes, or they would have the G4 motherboards they told us we could buy.
don't wan't to take sides in a camp or anything but i'll mention it for comparison. There is another Arctica based motherboard out there with G4 cpus and the owners of these boards have all said that the bugs plagueing the Pegasos are not present on thier machine. So maybe an April3 will eventually get things sorted for the Peg. (and i really hope it does)
For your pleasure I don't have "issues" with my April 1 board in everyday use at all. But yes, I still believe there may be rare occasions when such things may occur, if it worth them manufacturing a new version of the fix and offered to replace the boards. All this because am just an everyday user, and not qualified to discover hidden, or not simply obvious bugs, which most probably occur rarely. That much for your comparison, that "owners of these [those] boards have all said that the bugs plagueing the Pegasos are not present on thier machine".
I doubt you "really hope it" for some odd reason, I can't tell. :-)
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Who needs a PPC just to run Linux
Oh change the record will you, all of you!
The guy asked a perfectly acceptable question, and then the Pegasos takes a slating, then the A1, then BBRV, next it`ll be Amiga.inc.
Do you people not get bored arguing about the same old ####?
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d) Who needs a PPC just to run Linux
Who needs to run Linux, period? ;-)
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Who needs to run Linux, period?
AROS developers ;-)
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KennyR wrote:
d) Who needs a PPC just to run Linux
Who needs to run Linux, period? ;-)
Me. Who needs to run Windows, anyway? ;-)
(to clarify: I develop embedded linux systems, broadcast video hardware and firmware for said hardware. I can do this in Linux, but AmigaOS is not an option. I don't need Windows at all, except for the odd round of Civ3 (because I can't get winex to compile, and I'm too cheap to subscribe to the binary distribution :-( ))
Of course, I _need_ to run AmigaOS from time to time to keep me from going crazy, which might explain a bit since I haven't booted up an Amiga for a week or more... Today has been hell :-P