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AROS Mentioned
« on: June 26, 2007, 11:02:42 AM »
AROS gets mentioned on informit.com.

Pity this article didn't come out in a couple more months when x86_64 with memory protection is out...

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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2007, 12:40:31 PM »
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the idea that one rogue application could trample over another’s memory seems remarkably quaint.

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Mehh, getting hung up on the fact it doesnt have memory protection... Im sorry but if all the programs are well tested it aint needed, hell it stops people selling unstable software like I seem to keep finding on the PC (Stupid Pageplus)
I really dont like that little review, its almost like he didnt even try Aros and just asked "does it have this" "does it have that"
Sorry for the bad review guys, keep up the great work!
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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2007, 04:41:42 PM »
all publicity is good!

it's not like this is going to be the last time anyone writes a review!

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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2007, 05:11:04 PM »
Worst review ever!

ugh! Its pretty clear that this person never even tried AROS
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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2007, 08:29:57 PM »
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I have a confession to make. I never owned an Amiga. Back when Amiga owners had a multi-tasking GUI running on top of a microkernel, I was using Windows 3.0 on MS-DOS. And I’m still bitter.

For those of us who missed out the first time, the AROS Research Operating System (AROS) provides some surrogate nostalgia. For its era, the AROS OS was an impressive piece of work. It ran on very slow hardware (by today's standards), but still managed to provide an impressive user experience. Of course, this came at a cost.

Perhaps the biggest price paid by the AROS OS was the lack of protected memory. This is seen as vital these days; the idea that one rogue application could trample over another’s memory seems remarkably quaint. Swapping, something that usually goes hand-in-hand with virtual memory, is similarly absent.


That is a review?

Bollox.
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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2007, 11:49:22 PM »
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Oli_hd wrote:
Mehh, getting hung up on the fact it doesnt have memory protection... Im sorry but if all the programs are well tested it aint needed, hell it stops people selling unstable software like I seem to keep finding on the PC (Stupid Pageplus)
I really dont like that little review, its almost like he didnt even try Aros and just asked "does it have this" "does it have that"
Sorry for the bad review guys, keep up the great work!


Claiming that memory protection is a useless feature and that it could be solved simply by testing programs better is just silly (no offence). It's like saying we don't need no law enforcement - just tell people to be good instead. Then... there's reality. Applications are a lot more complex today compared to 20 years ago.

No matter how much I like AROS, the lack of memory protection is a definitely a bad thing.
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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2007, 11:55:59 PM »
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 the lack of memory protection is a definitely a bad thing.


Gee, you must *REALLY* hate the AmigaOS then.  :roll:
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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2007, 12:30:59 AM »
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No matter how much I like AROS, the lack of memory protection is a definitely a bad thing.


Keep an eye here for updates.  :-D

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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2007, 08:01:53 AM »
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That is a review?

Bollox.


I quite liked it.  So many reviews get bogged down with petty things like insight and useful information.  This one broke the shackles of conventional journalism by containing neither.
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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2007, 12:12:27 PM »
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Methuselas wrote:
Gee, you must *REALLY* hate the AmigaOS then.  :roll:


Quite the contrary :-) I just happen to think memory protection is an essential feature in a modern OS.
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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2007, 12:14:21 PM »
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Keep an eye here for updates.  :-D
Dammy


Rumours say MP is coming? That would surely be neat.. :) AROS has progressed a lot indeed!
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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2007, 01:26:54 PM »
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CannonFodder wrote:

That is a review?

Bollox.


I quite liked it.  So many reviews get bogged down with petty things like insight and useful information.  This one broke the shackles of conventional journalism by containing neither.
that's right. it was devoid of any information.

the most important fact it contained is this:

AROS Research Operating System (AROS)
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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2007, 04:40:59 PM »
@oli_hd

If it was true why buggy Amiga software is sold? ;-)

MP is not essential (not having memory protection is
common in an embedded world) but it helps making better software.

You probably would not use Enforcer or Mungwall either?

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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2007, 07:06:39 PM »
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@oli_hd

MP is not essential (not having memory protection is
common in an embedded world) but it helps making better software.



MP is essential for having a secure general purpose OS though.
You could emulate MP with forcing everything to run in a virtual machine where every memory access is bound checked and all hardware access goes through protected layers. But such a thing is IMO not compatible with the Amiga philosophy of having a very low OS overhead.

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Re: AROS Mentioned
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2007, 08:13:14 PM »
@Fats

AFAIK it isn't actually possible as the system would have no way of knowing if a memory access is legitimate or not.  You would have to take the proposed MorphOS approach and run *all* old apps in a sandbox (where they could still interfere with each other) and run new apps in a memory protected environment.
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