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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: Arkhan on April 09, 2010, 10:32:55 AM
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What kind of new games do people want to see on the Amiga?
Japanese style shmups (R Type)?
Platformers?
digital comics (point/click adventures, or Zork likes)
RPGs?
vroom vroom car games?
I ask because soon I may try doing a game for Amiga, and would rather make something people are interested in, instead of something only I give a damn about.
Though, I am doing PC-Engine and MSX development as well, so my plates sorta full. But there will be room for Amiga!
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Could you do a platformer with upgradeable weapons?
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you mean like Turrican only not crappy? :)
I could do it code-wise, but as far as graphics, euhhh, Ima have to find me an artist, because I can't do art for shit!
I am new to Amiga hardware so a few baby steps might have to happen, but, I could see it happening
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you mean like Turrican only not crappy? :)
I could do it code-wise, but as far as graphics, euhhh, Ima have to find me an artist, because I can't do art for shit!
Yeah pretty much.
What I do is sketch out the objects/figures on graph paper then you can draw it pixel by pixel on Deluxe Paint and edit how you like. Check out the Amiga Festive Game Competition thread, one them might be available.
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"...only not crappy" ? LOL prepare to be flamed :D
I prefer RPGs or adventure games (graphic or IF doesn't matter). Something with a strong story.
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What is crappy about Turrican?! :flame:
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What is crappy about Turrican?! :flame:
What's wrong with Turrican?
If you do not like Turrican try Ruff 'n' Tumble, it feels a bit like Metal Slug :) (don't flame me, I know alot of people hate Ruff 'n' Tumble)
Also I would love to see a new RPG for the Amiga!
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What's wrong with Turrican?
Turrican is too hard!
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there is a turrican fangame called hurrican that has awesome graphics, cool music and sound effects, and nearly flawless gameplay.
i'd like to see something like that using a super powered amiga classic, winuae, and aros
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Turrican is hard, but I like it a lot. One Amiga game that I think is overrated is the Shadow of the Beast stuff. Gorgeous graphics, sound and atmosphere, but where's the game? Not much of one if you ask me.
I'd like to see a fancy/well done Amiga version of Contra III and Castlevania X someday...
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first time i played shadow of the beast i thought that very thing.
one thing i really hate is button for fire and up for jump games. there are some great games for the amiga with that control scheme and it just ruins it for me.
a hires high color version of castlevania with good controls would be great. i always liked bloodlines for the genesis
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What kind of new games do people want to see on the Amiga?
Japanese style shmups (R Type)?
Platformers?
digital comics (point/click adventures, or Zork likes)
RPGs?
vroom vroom car games?
I ask because soon I may try doing a game for Amiga, and would rather make something people are interested in, instead of something only I give a damn about.
Though, I am doing PC-Engine and MSX development as well, so my plates sorta full. But there will be room for Amiga!
Are you talking about a new game for classic machines or for OS4.x ?
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a good adventure game, or some old 3d shooter thats gone open source.
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digital comics (point/click adventures, or Zork likes)
Definitely Zork-Like. I mean, not Zork-like in the treasure-hunting cave-crawling sense (though those are also wellcome :-) ) but in the "more text than graphic" oriented one. In fact I've got 3 different text adventure ongoing projects. One is a remake for the retro-remix comp so it is meant to be released soon. Other is some more brief chapters following the christmas text adv I made for last Christmas comp (which arrived late to join the comp but is available anyway) which will form a whole complete christmas story sometime before next christmas. A third one is something I've been cooking for long with a much more polished and complex parser which sadly only works in spanish at this point.
Anyway, just any kind of adventure (text, graphic, RPG...) for classic Amiga models will make me happy!
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World of Warcraft!
On a 68000 with 1meg of RAM. No wait, 512k but enhanced with extra RAM. It should have a collectors edition suitcase to hold the hundreds of floppies too. :)
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Classic Amiga please. But do good games come from wanting to please others, or by pleasing your self? (I know..). But most interesting games for me the last few months have been of the rather original Heavy Rain and Braid type.
Having said that. Turboraketti / Xpilot type game online for Xbox live arcade is probably what I would love the most. Massive online potential.
But for Amiga, a really good action-adventure game in the Prince of Persia, Flashback, Another World vein would truly rock.
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I prefer arcade games or arcade games like turrican, arcade with puzzle section like beast 3, games with parallax scrolling, good music like chris huelsbeck, maniac of noise, tim wright.
Difficulty and playability may be enought hard without desesperation, most of modern games are easy, turrican 1 and 2 are enough hard, turrican 3 is too easy.
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you mean like Turrican only not crappy? :)
I could do it code-wise, but as far as graphics, euhhh, Ima have to find me an artist, because I can't do art for shit!
I am new to Amiga hardware so a few baby steps might have to happen, but, I could see it happening
like wow, I cant believe you don't like Turrican ahahhaha
If you think the Amiga version was hard try the C64 version, I think it was a lot harder. heh
Great game, and it came out on the Commodore 64 first :-)
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I just never enjoyed turrican. It was like Contra appearance wise, but gameplay wise, not at all.
Its ok I guess. Coulda been better. :)
as for platform, its definitely gotta be something for old machines. that way when i make a crappy game, its excusable.
lol
well these are all good thoughts so far. I would port my Berzerk clone, but I don't think anyone will want to play that!
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Ys or Nectaris
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Convert StarFox from the SNES for the Amiga 1200 just to see how it would run :)
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Ys or Nectaris
:D now you're talkin!
Nectaris with mouse support might be a damn good game.
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If they do World of Warcraft for Amiga it better use Extra Half Bright mode!
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for the target players? :D
this reminds me, ARE there any good networked games for Amiga right now? There is that.... uh.. uhhhhhhh. .... something chaos or other. right?
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Some of the Dune 2 remakes would be great to see on Amiga. Though Dune 2 is an MS-DOS convert to the Amiga, its still one of my all- time favourite game.
http://d2tm.duneii.com/
http://dunelegacy.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Speaking of software in need in general, is it not about time classic Amiga get some kind of decent replacement for Directory Opus and the alikes? Still great to use software, but it havent had an overhaul since Magellan II.
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well file directory apps arent really my cup of tea. I like game-programming and usually find the rest of it kind of boring. Some other apps are fun to do, like D&D character generators, music stuff...
but file system stuff? eeeewwwww. :)
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If they do World of Warcraft for Amiga it better use Extra Half Bright mode!
:lol:
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:lol:
I always thought it was a shame that instead of EHB that an extra 32 colour registers weren't added. Even if the entire palette had to be split into two separate regions for backwards compatibility, the ability to have 64 freely assignable colours would have been a nice feature for a lot of games.
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I DO LIKE Turrican, but they're way tooooo hard. I even liked the SNES and MD versions.
I DO LIKE Ruff 'n Tumble, it has somehow a bit messy control, but it's technically good.
About new games on an Amiga, i would say any good game would do.
From a sidescroll shooter, to some classic game conversion from other system.
Somebody pointed some MSX games, they're good, but what about MGS from MSX
with better technical capabiliites? Or a Zelda port from the SNES. Or StarFox, i remember
somebody talked a time ago about a new SF2 conversion with ripped GFX from the
arcade or PC version and a new engine for 030, or 020's (Not EC20's)
But... The game i would LOVE to see a sequel from is...
B U C K T O O T H B O B!!!!!!
LOL!
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I always thought it was a shame that instead of EHB that an extra 32 colour registers weren't added. Even if the entire palette had to be split into two separate regions for backwards compatibility, the ability to have 64 freely assignable colours would have been a nice feature for a lot of games.
An extra 32 colour registers would have taken up a lot of space on the silicon... you forget that CSG's fabs were VERY old by the time the EHB was added.
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Somebody pointed some MSX games, they're good, but what about MGS from MSX
with better technical capabiliites? Or a Zelda port from the SNES. Or StarFox,
I dont think anyone explicitly mentioned MSX (but we did mention R Type and Ys!), but what is MGS? Do you mean just Metal Gear or Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake?
Metal Gear Solid wasn't until playstation :D
That might be neat. I can't recall any good espionage games on Amiga. If there is one and I've missed it, tell me!
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Well it should not be that hard to do a sidescroller with upgradeable weapons.
might even be possible to use some sort of pseudo 3d stuff
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A good 1942 clone would be nice.
A version which supports multible players,
A version which supports hires resolution,
that supports hundreds of sprites on the screen,
and that supports truecolor and alpha blending.
hmm wait we have this already...
(http://www.natami.net/gfx/snap640.jpg)
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Besides Deluxe 194x, we are planning to create more deluxe remakes of good old games.
I would like to make a Deluxe version of Uridium and Hybris.
We are going to ship our game engine together with the NATAMI.
I look forward that more people will create new Shoot Em ups using this engine.
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so it is going to be like SEUCK, minus the part where it ....SEUCKs? :D
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I would like Jagged Alliance ported to Amiga or a completely new game in the series. Man, I love those games...
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you mean like Turrican only not crappy? :)
sacriledge:angry:...stunning gameplay on Turrican 1 and 2 IMHO
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A good 1942 clone would be nice.
A version which supports multible players,
A version which supports hires resolution,
that supports hundreds of sprites on the screen,
and that supports truecolor and alpha blending.
hmm wait we have this already...
(http://www.natami.net/gfx/snap640.jpg)
we already have it at os4depot & it's good too:)
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My vote would be on a tactical turn based game ala XCOM and Sabre team
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I really wonder why peole want games that we allready have????
It is like I would wish quake?
I would like to see something that we don't allready have.
Resident evil 1 type game would be nice, and 68k amigas would even have enough horse power for it.
Moving objects was 3d but background was static 2d image
Other good would be something like settlers 2
Smart mobve would be to check wath kind of game engines are availlable to amiga. I mean that it would be faster if there is possibility to use lets say doom engine? or quake engine?
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@utri007: agreed. however, I think we have most game types already, if not more than others. Amiga is only 'behind' when it comes to 3D games, like a good racer (I still play NFS5, its excellent), a good 3d action/adventure (like tomb raider), or a proper flightsim.
Ofcourse, a conversion of Grand Theft Auto would be excellent aswell :)
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Payback is quite good grand thef auto clone.
It isn't just what it is allso how. Really good exsample what I mean is Genetic species, it was made well with relism, not too heavy to 68k amiga but still looks good and offer great playability.
There is lots good lookin car/3d games atleast for amiga computers ;)
If we are thinking to amiga port of pc game we should look at quite old games lets say 92-97
There is no point to make game that is playable with 1% of current amigas, offcourse there should be option to configure graphics so that playability could be adjustable.
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@Arkhan
you could use AGA, 030/50 and 16MB as it's the minimum config most of people has. 030 may aid to add some extra bigger sprites and parallax planes.
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payback is not the gta clone I had in mind.. :) there are no proper 3d racing games for amiga. just a few with filled vectors (like leading lap, f1gp) and even less with texturemapped graphics (xtreme racing, flyin' high, joyride, racer etc).
I dont agree on that system spec, '030 is what most people have' is what they said 10 years ago!
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@rvo_nl
I would prefer some good 2d games for 030, 040, 060... I think it's still possible to make "modern" 2d games on classics that don't look bad today. There are not so many 2d games that take advantage of accelerators and extra ram (Napalm requires accelerator but was quite slow on AGA... it looked as it was designed for chunky screens). Lo-Res high qualityplanar games would be perfectly possible.
I would love something like Diablo I on Amiga but I doubt AGA would be enough to move so many graphics on a 640x480 screen at 25fps. It would require quite a lot of optimizing or RTG directly.
If you like 3D racing there's already WipeOut2097. ;-)
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I'd love to play some good SHMUPs on the Amiga. They are few and far inbetween. Someone should consider porting Gradius or Salamander from the MSX and add smooth scrolling, more colors and get rid of the slow-down. The 1942 clone presented above looks terrible from the screenshot, to be honest. The high resolution graphics don't really add anything interesting, and just seem to make the game look silly, especially with the colorful aircraft. But that's just my opinion of course, and I very much appreciate the effort to bring something new to the Amiga gaming scene!
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Gotta say that Joyride is a joke, fun factor is -10, Flyin high and xtreme racing are fun games.
I would say that minium spec would be 040 and aga.
Something like Nascar 1 would be nice, PC requirements are 33 mhz 486 and it would still be best looking amiga car game.
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/3/29093/nascar2_790screen004.jpg
My personal all time favorit is Carmageddon 1 :)
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/0/196870/carma_790screen003.jpg
Would it be possible to use modified doom/hexen engine for car game?
BUT gotta be realistic, there is no sense to port /create game that requires too much horse power.
Ideal would be if it could use already working and fast game engines.
Resident evil 1 clone would be nice and possible even with 030.
How about this, source, binary and datafiles
http://www.liberatedgames.com/game.php?game_id=82
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I dont think anyone explicitly mentioned MSX (but we did mention R Type and Ys!), but what is MGS? Do you mean just Metal Gear or Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake?
Metal Gear Solid wasn't until playstation :D
That might be neat. I can't recall any good espionage games on Amiga. If there is one and I've missed it, tell me!
GodDamnit!!! I forgot it... MG2 Solid Snake, is not the same than Metal Gear Solid.
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I meant the MG games on MSX2, they could be ported adding better features and
and improved engine than the old 8bit Z80 one. :D
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I would like Jagged Alliance ported to Amiga or a completely new game in the series. Man, I love those games...
Indeed JA was a great game, and i do believe the complete series could be ported to
the Amiga. JA, and JA DG could run on a 030 for sure.
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*Salamander*
i remember this game. superb classic arcade game.
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GodDamnit!!! I forgot it... MG2 Solid Snake, is not the same than Metal Gear Solid.
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I meant the MG games on MSX2, they could be ported adding better features and
and improved engine than the old 8bit Z80 one. :D
Yeah, the Amiga obviously lacks alot of the Japanese gaming world's good titles. Good horizontal shmups would be awesome. Sorry but Menace doesn't cut it.
I don't know how you could really improve MG2 though. Yeah it's a z80, but the hell if they didn't make Metal Gear 2 one polished masterpiece and a half.
Anything Konami--->Amiga would *have* to have their SCC soundchip sampled in for the leads, or it would be really stupid, to be honest. It isn't Konami, but R Type was awful as far as music goes....
and Contra.... >_> yikes.
it was pretty bad man.
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If you don't appreciate games like Shadow of the Beast or Turrican for their time, I'm not exactly looking forward to a game made by you.
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yeah wipeout 2097, that was a great conversion! I would like to see some more games that utilise my ppc card, but thats ofcourse personal preference :) seriously, apart from some fast 3d stuff, I'd prefer some good old 2d adventure more than anything else. isnt there some SCUMM game that could be converted easily?
btw, does anyone remember that resident evil hoax that was released many years ago? it had potential though!
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If you don't appreciate games like Shadow of the Beast or Turrican for their time
euhhhhh. :confused:
Shadow of the Beast is my favorite Amiga game? Herpderp?
and "for its time", I still think Turrican is meh in comparison to some other games. It's not my style. Sue me. Nice music and graphics though. I have all the turrican .sid's on my ipod...
man.
I'm not exactly looking forward to a game made by you.
:(
Thats a shitty thing to say y'know. It's not like one needs to be a pro at all genres as far as development. It's not like you see SSI pumping out high-action shooters....
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If you don't appreciate games like Shadow of the Beast or Turrican for their time, I'm not exactly looking forward to a game made by you.
turrican 2 i think was the best of the three.
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@Arkhan
Arkhan, name 10 Amiga games that you like?
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Shadow of the Beast 1 thru 3
Amberstar & Ambermoon
Agony
All the D&D games
Ultimas
Dragon Wars
Myth: History in the Making
The Chaos Engine
Unreal
Liberation
Neuromancer
Flashback
Out of this World
Risky Woods
Warlock
Mindwalker
Harlequin
Revenge of Defender
R-Type (If i turn the sound off)
theres more, and thats more than 10 anyways, lol.
why did you ask?
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Shadow of the Beast 1 thru 3
Amberstar & Ambermoon
Agony
All the D&D games
Ultimas
Dragon Wars
Myth: History in the Making
The Chaos Engine
Unreal
Liberation
Neuromancer
Flashback
Out of this World
Risky Woods
Warlock
Mindwalker
Harlequin
Revenge of Defender
R-Type (If i turn the sound off)
I have heard of some of them, but only played Flashback and Another World (aka Out Of This World). My favourite Amiga games include Cannon Fodder, Lemmings, MegaBlock 2 and erm some risque title which I can't remember the name of - you start off in an apartment and can go into the shower where you see a digitized topless woman (your character?) in the shower! It's a very small image mind you.
Regards,
Lonewolf10
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What game? hmmm that's a tough one.
It's like asking what car people would like to buy..> everyone's got different tastes.
I rekon if you do something You like, and it's good enough, gamers will go for it.
The amiga is great for retro gaming so maybe an updated retro game would be a good choice. Personally i'd like a film-tie in game, something like robocop 3 with different levels or even an updated version of 'The killing Cloud' (no tie-in with current events intended!) or even a 3d shooter like 'Virus' from the Archimedes and Amiga vesion.
Failing that, how about a transforming robot toaster that fights other transforming houshold objects eh? :)
That's enough of my way-out suggestions, good luck with it! :)
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What kind of new games do people want to see on the Amiga?
Chaos Engine 3
but anything with a strong steampunk theme and lots of shooting will help. :)
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What game? hmmm that's a tough one.
It's like asking what car people would like to buy..> everyone's got different tastes.
I rekon if you do something You like, and it's good enough, gamers will go for it.
The amiga is great for retro gaming so maybe an updated retro game would be a good choice. Personally i'd like a film-tie in game, something like robocop 3 with different levels or even an updated version of 'The killing Cloud' (no tie-in with current events intended!) or even a 3d shooter like 'Virus' from the Archimedes and Amiga vesion.
Failing that, how about a transforming robot toaster that fights other transforming houshold objects eh? :)
That's enough of my way-out suggestions, good luck with it! :)
Just tryin to get a feel for what the current crowd of gamers really likes, or is longing for.
Seems like more than 1 person wants a Japanese shmup style game
though, I did write a Berzerk clone for PC-Engine, :D That might be funny on Amiga
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Is sad that developer of this game lost sources and interest to develop it further
http://aminet.net/package/game/demo/silencer
If someone hasn't test this it is isometric shoot-em-up game wit high res grapihics.
Run quite nicely even with aga
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Hey, thanks for pointing that game out, ultri007! I downoaded it and tried it out on my A1200 and was really impressed. It ran very smooth for a high res 256 colour game, and it was multitasking nicely while Workbench was running. I love games that I can play while still going online, so I can chat and browse the forums and flick back to my game. I can do that with DOOM and the Sim games which is pretty cool. What a shame this Silencer game was never finished, and even more that the sources were lost! It was written in Assembly so it runs smooth even on a 020 AGA system.
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Oh yeah, now that I have a 030 with 32MB of RAM, I can also play Total Chaos and go online at the same time :)
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An extra 32 colour registers would have taken up a lot of space on the silicon... you forget that CSG's fabs were VERY old by the time the EHB was added.
I dunno, EHB uses a 6th bit plane and so would a true 64 colour system. Dual Playfield mode also used 6 bit planes too.
I don't think the palette of EHB is an issue given todays excellent image processing tools on PC and Mac to find a very nice compromise. But isn't EHB a severe slouch on the OCS/ECS chipset, hence limiting what kind of 25/50 fps (30/60 NTSC) games you could write anyway though?
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Oh yeah, now that I have a 030 with 32MB of RAM, I can also play Total Chaos and go online at the same time :)
YAY!!!!!! :banana:
It is 10x more work to make an OS-compliant game than it is to just turn off the OS and take over the machine. I am glad you are able to make use of the extra work now. /me *hugs* Cammy's beautiful 32MB RAM chip :knuddel:
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@Arkhan
Arkhan, name 10 Amiga games that you like?
you never answered my question!
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I dunno, EHB uses a 6th bit plane and so would a true 64 colour system. Dual Playfield mode also used 6 bit planes too.
I think he meant the silicon area of adding another 32 colour registers (12 bits each) and supporting logic. Probably 32 * 12 * 6 (=2304) transistors for the registers alone, maybe a lot for the old manufacturing process that was used when you are talking about chips with tens of thousands of transistors in total (does anyone know the transistor count of OCS/ECS/etc?).
There was an OCS follow-up that was never released called Ranger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Ranger_Chipset that was to support 128 colours and high resolutions. It was cancelled due to being too expensive, but that was mainly due to utilising VRAM - it is a shame that a DRAM variant wasn't made for consumer products.
EHB was nice, but they could have also included a complementary colour mode, where the second 32-colours were the complementary colours of the first 32.
On topic: Personally I think a good start for doing games is to port some of the new C64, Spectrum and Amstrad CPC games that are being made to the Amiga, before porting some 80s arcade games maybe.
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I for one would love to se a 45degree spr medival RPG!
I can supply you with alot of 64x64 sprites if you want some help! I know the guys at 11th and I bet they can let you have their sprite base, thats allways a good start :)
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whats a 45 degree spr RPG?
you mean like, Isometric?
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whats a 45 degree spr RPG?
you mean like, Isometric?
This is what I was talking about :)
(http://www.underground-gamer.com/imagebucket/ex2scr1.gif)
My favorite kind of RPGs :]
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Arkhan, what is your favourite MSX game? I'd say choose your favourite MSX game and port to Amiga taking advantage of Amiga's capabilities, that would be interesting. Change the name and some features to avoid being sued by Konami or other major MSX developer that is still around. :)
Space Manbow! That was a good MSX2 shmup. Besides Apydia and R-Type, the Amiga needs more j-shmups.
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Would it be possible to use modified doom/hexen engine for car game?
I think yes, the most advanced engine is skulltag (source port), that support all id Tech 1 games. (And even public multiplayer of doom, heretic, hexen, strife, chex and etc).
Uses OpenGL, i think it possible to recreate car game. I have seen more difficult/complex projects =)
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I think yes, the most advanced engine is skulltag (source port), that support all id Tech 1 games. (And even public multiplayer of doom, heretic, hexen, strife, chex and etc).
Uses OpenGL, i think it possible to recreate car game. I have seen more difficult/complex projects =)
man how about a car game where you drive around and shoot demons.
you could call it VROOM.