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Title: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on July 20, 2011, 04:30:45 PM
I'm just posting a quick message here to get some feedback. I know a few of you have been concerned that you don't know the identity of the owner of Amiga.org. His investment saved the site in 2009 when it could have shut down and it was most appreciated. He only wanted to preserve Amiga.org so its members could go on communicating and enjoying it. I of course helped make that deal happen but since I don't own Amiga.org the buck currently does not stop with me. Any decision I make can be overrided and changed. I spoke with the owner recently and he is willing to transition ownership to me completely. He only needs his investment back with interest. Unfortunately it will take me one to two years to raise the funds to make this happen. You as members could of course help make this happen faster with donations but your not required to do that. The question you have to ask yourself is are you happy with the current situation of not knowing who owns Amiga.org or are you more comfortable with me as the owner. Thanks for your time and now back to your regularly scheduled Amiga program.

Best regards

Bill P
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: orb85750 on July 20, 2011, 04:37:53 PM
I'm OK with it as is, even if Bill McEwen is the owner.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on July 20, 2011, 04:39:01 PM
He is not the owner. Unfortunately AI does not put money into the Amiga Community. I wish this was not the case but that is how its played out over many years.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Duce on July 20, 2011, 04:51:07 PM
I've got no problems with the way the show is run now - and certainly wouldn't have any objections to Bill P. taking it over formally.  I, however - am not one of the "old boys of A.org" and was only a lurker in the Wayne era.

The only thing that I've ever been curious about is why the real owner wishes to go unnamed?  I couldn't care either way who it is, but it'd be nice to be able to thank whoever took it over from Wayne.

If the real owner is looking to become uninvolved with A.org, I'm sure we could organize a fund raiser to help Bill P. out.  I'd be willing to throw in a few bucks.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Tension on July 20, 2011, 04:51:40 PM
Why not just get Malcolm fuckin Glazer in and be done with it.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 20, 2011, 04:52:11 PM
@ Pyro

I'm quite happy with the current owner but having yourself owning the site outright I would also be happy with... :)

To me the only real problem with the site is the very biased moderation by some that goes on, ie: the moving/ deleting of certain peoples posts infractions being issued to certain people for using certain language while certain others including the mods get away with using the very same language or worse... :(

There are plenty of examples of this to be found on the site and to me it's the one thing that badly needs sorted, other than that I believe the site runs along quite smoothly... :)

If I thought it was really something I wanted to be involved in I would offer the money myself to buy the site outright, but I don't really want to be involved in the running of a site, too serious that kind of malarky for me I'm afraid... :)

Hopefully either the current owner will keep the site going and doing the great job he has been (even if it appears he does it too quietly for some folks liking) or you yourself can raise the funds and continue the site if that's what you really want to do... :)

Either way it goes, I reckon no matter which one of you is in charge, Amiga.org will continue along just nicely under either the current ownership or yours and I wish you both all the best in doing so... :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Tension on July 20, 2011, 04:53:04 PM
Why not just get Malcolm ****in Glazer in and be done with it.

The ****in place doesnt even work.  This is the third time I've tried to post this message.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 20, 2011, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: Tension;650824
Why not just get Malcolm ****in Glazer in and be done with it.

The ****in place doesnt even work.  This is the third time I've tried to post this message.

and that's the second time it's appeared... :lol:
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on July 20, 2011, 04:56:01 PM
I removed the duplicate message.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: giZmo350 on July 20, 2011, 04:57:58 PM
How much money we talkin here?
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on July 20, 2011, 04:59:39 PM
Quote from: gizmo350;650827
How much money we talkin here?


Its more than a few shillings.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 20, 2011, 05:01:53 PM
Almost half an hour since this announcement and it hasn't appeared on MooBunny yet !!!

They must be all asleep or still at school over there... :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: jj on July 20, 2011, 05:05:07 PM
Well in was 10k when sol in 2009so that plus interest.  Doesnt say at waht apr mind
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 20, 2011, 05:10:49 PM
Well according to those "What's my site worth" thingies... :)

Anything from $5,361 to $601,809.66 ... :D

Bit of a discrepancy there methinks, anyhoo take yer pick... :)

http://www.mywebsiteworth.com/site/www.amiga.org

http://www.urlappraisal.net/search.php?textSearch=www.amiga.org&searchSubmit=Appraise
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: koaftder on July 20, 2011, 05:23:30 PM
So for 10 grand we can know for sure who owns franko.org?
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 20, 2011, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: koaftder;650834
So for 10 grand we can know for sure who owns franko.org?


I already know who owns the site... ;)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: koaftder on July 20, 2011, 05:27:52 PM
What incentive exists to raise funds for this endeavor? Getting to know who specifically owns the site seems kind of irrelevant.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on July 20, 2011, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: koaftder;650837
What incentive exists to raise funds for this endeavor? Getting to know who specifically owns the site seems kind of irrelevant.


Funds are not required to be raised.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: koaftder on July 20, 2011, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: Pyromania;650838
Funds are not required to be raised.


But you are asking for money. What is the incentive? What will change when you assume ownership?
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on July 20, 2011, 05:43:15 PM
Quote from: koaftder;650842
But you are asking for money. What is the incentive? What will change when you assume ownership?


You will sleep more soundly and softly at night with renewed confidence since you will now know who owns your beloved Amiga.org.

:)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Heiroglyph on July 20, 2011, 05:44:34 PM
I'd feel a little safer with it in your hands, but if you trust the guy, then I trust your judgement.  Obviously he cares about the community or he wouldn't have stepped up in the first place.

If you would rather have it in your name, then I'm up for a donation.

I usually don't know who owns a site, so just getting a name doesn't really concern me.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: ddniUK on July 20, 2011, 06:18:36 PM
With content such as the crappy "new direction" news items, I wouldn't miss the site if the mysterious owner pulled the plug...
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: J-Golden on July 20, 2011, 06:26:36 PM
Quote from: ddniUK;650851
With content such as the crappy "new direction" news items, I wouldn't miss the site if the mysterious owner pulled the plug...


That was a joke.  J-O-K-E.  And if you are going to center the whole site on one post, you may want to check out the other side Forums or the "New Posts" tab at the top right-ish of the site to get a broader view of what A.ORG has to offer.

There is something here for everyone, really. ;)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: eliyahu on July 20, 2011, 06:33:20 PM
Quote from: Pyromania;650843
You will sleep more soundly and softly at night with renewed confidence since you will now know who owns your beloved Amiga.org.

:)
wait, is this the mysterious 'ted' wayne spoke of before 'leaving' the site?  is there any particular reason why he wishes to remain anonymous?  in truth i've never even considered who the site owner is here, or at amigaworld.net, or at amigans.net, or... well, anywhere, really.

if the owner is someone with commercial interests that have some bearing on the community, then, yes, it should be disclosed if for no other reason than it might effect moderation policy. but otherwise i say let the guy stay in the dark if he'd prefer. doesn't really matter, i shouldn't think. :)

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Tension on July 20, 2011, 06:36:48 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;650856
wait, is this the mysterious 'ted' wayne spoke of before 'leaving' the site?  is there any particular reason why he wishes to remain anonymous?  in truth i've never even considered who the site owner is here, or at amigaworld.net, or at amigans.net, or... well, anywhere, really.

if the owner is someone with commercial interests that have some bearing on the community, then, yes, it should be disclosed if for no other reason than it might effect moderation policy. but otherwise i say let the guy stay in the dark if he'd prefer. doesn't really matter, i shouldn't think. :)

-- eliyahu


The selfsame person who was meant to appear on the Amiga Roundtable Broadcast a while back?

Or was that just a cynical marketing ploy.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 20, 2011, 06:59:12 PM
Don't get all these crazy rambling about wanting to know who owns the site... :confused:

I mean you correspond here with folk who for the most part you don't know their names, or most of the time even where in the world they are, so what's the big deal about wanting to know who owns the site... :)

I don't care or know who owns FaceBook, YouTube or any other site where I correspond with people so why the "gotta know" here... :confused:

Plus it's also public knowledge who owns this site, so what's all the fuss about... :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Argo on July 20, 2011, 07:06:31 PM
Quote from: Pyromania;650843
You will sleep more soundly and softly at night with renewed confidence since you will now know who owns your beloved Amiga.org.

:)


The buck would stop with him. Have a question/problem/suggestion about the site, he'd be the decision maker. No passing it up to the nebulous owner to see if he wants to take action on it.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Argo on July 20, 2011, 07:08:36 PM
Quote from: J-Golden;650853
That was a joke.  J-O-K-E.  And if you are going to center the whole site on one post, you may want to check out the other side Forums or the "New Posts" tab at the top right-ish of the site to get a broader view of what A.ORG has to offer.

There is something here for everyone, really. ;)


It was badly timed. Now around April 1st, it would have been amazing!
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Argo on July 20, 2011, 07:09:55 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;650856
wait, is this the mysterious 'ted' wayne spoke of before 'leaving' the site?  is there any particular reason why he wishes to remain anonymous?  in truth i've never even considered who the site owner is here, or at amigaworld.net, or at amigans.net, or... well, anywhere, really.

if the owner is someone with commercial interests that have some bearing on the community, then, yes, it should be disclosed if for no other reason than it might effect moderation policy. but otherwise i say let the guy stay in the dark if he'd prefer. doesn't really matter, i shouldn't think. :)

-- eliyahu


Wait, you don't know who owns Amigaworld.net or Amigans.net?
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on July 20, 2011, 07:13:33 PM
Quote from: Argo;650873
Wait, you don't know who owns Amigaworld.net or Amigans.net?


Ronald McDonald?
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: mfletcher on July 20, 2011, 08:05:14 PM
What Im suggesting is controversial but, why not just drop the hosting part of amiga.org and just point the domain at abime.net ? Its a good forum and it has a lot of good amiga projects hosted there.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on July 20, 2011, 08:09:36 PM
Quote from: mfletcher;650892
What Im suggesting is controversial but, why not just drop the hosting part of amiga.org and just point the domain at abime.net ? Its a good forum and it has a lot of good amiga projects hosted there.


The decommissioning of Amiga.org is not an option, sorry.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: brianb on July 20, 2011, 08:16:19 PM
I'm merely a casual observer of the site now...  The forums got stale, and a small subset of users have made the remaining threads painful to read.   This site was never the same after upgrading the forum software for whatever reason.  (Yes, I know it was required just saying...)   Now it seems like a sandbox for 1-2 users to annoy everyone.

Sad...
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: runequester on July 20, 2011, 08:44:09 PM
Actually i think the discourse has been pretty good the last few days
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: cgutjahr on July 20, 2011, 09:07:16 PM
Quote from: Pyromania;650843
You will sleep more soundly and softly at night with renewed confidence since you will now know who owns your beloved Amiga.org.
Nobody looses any sleep because we "don't know the name of the owner" - not to mention we actually know the name, the guy's called ***.

What a lot of people are "loosing sleep over", is the way the site is run these days. That's why you should address a few questions:

1.Would moving ownership from *** to you get us the following things?


2.How much money are we talking about?

3.Do you agree that the community should own what it pays for?
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: number6 on July 20, 2011, 09:35:20 PM
@thread

After reading this I can only hope that the makers of the amiga film skip history post 1999 for oh So many reasons.

#6
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Karlos on July 20, 2011, 09:57:40 PM
I'm very much in favour of a single site owner, or at the very least a single site administrator with whom the buck stops for the upkeep of the site and enforcement of it's TOS.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: nicholas on July 20, 2011, 10:09:41 PM
I say we all have a whip-round so that Karlos can buy amiga.org! :D
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: AJCopland on July 20, 2011, 10:19:20 PM
I don't mind who owns Amiga.org, I like the way it's run, and the overall way that it's always been run.
People regularly talk about how it's changed but things do change with the times because they get old and stale if they don't.

Now may not be the high point of Amiga.org incarnation but it's certainly not the worst I've seen since I found the place. Even since I, eventually, stopped lurking and signed up :D

To answer you're original semi-question Pyromania, you've got a genuine interest and passion for the Amiga and Amiga.org. If you feel that you'd like to own it then I think you'd do a good job of being the owner because as the site admin you've put in place good moderators and generally made sound decisions. I just hope that if you do buy it (in 1 or 2 years time) that it doesn't become a burden to you.

Andy
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: billt on July 20, 2011, 10:31:36 PM
Is the current ownership a problem of some kind requiring some sort of resolution?

Will something bad happen if you don't buy it from him/her?

Some things said in this thread make it sound like all is good as it is, so I don't understand why this thread exists?
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Tension on July 20, 2011, 11:45:12 PM
Quote from: nicholas;650916
I say we all have a whip-round so that Karlos can buy amiga.org! :D


I'd be up for that.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: runequester on July 20, 2011, 11:51:55 PM
In the past there was a bunch of angst over it. I think people grew out of it though
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Gazbonk on July 21, 2011, 12:40:58 AM
I am happy with the current owner, I would also be happy with Pyromania to own the site, as you both (all) care in what direction its travelling.

:) Thank you :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Argo on July 21, 2011, 01:01:23 AM
Quote from: Karlos;650914
I'm very much in favour of a single site owner, or at the very least a single site administrator with whom the buck stops for the upkeep of the site and enforcement of it's TOS.


Damn it, why can't we have a like or +1 button?
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Argo on July 21, 2011, 01:05:51 AM
Quote from: gizmo350;650827
How much money we talkin here?


What is Amiga.org worth?

[solemnly] Nothing.  [smiles] Everything!
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Orphan264 on July 21, 2011, 02:00:40 AM
Having been part of the Amiga community for 20+ years I have learned the following:

If I owned Amiga.org or had any position of importance or influence in the Amiga community, I would also wish to remain anonymous. :-)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: save2600 on July 21, 2011, 02:17:19 AM
Quote from: billt;650919
Is the current ownership a problem of some kind requiring some sort of resolution?


I would LMFAO if it was Doomy.  :lol:
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Darrin on July 21, 2011, 02:20:15 AM
Who owns it doesn't matter, it is how it is run.  I like it as it is and it is the posters who make this place worth visiting.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Duce on July 21, 2011, 02:26:20 AM
Regarding worth:  Oddly, in the fickle world of websites, your worth really only boils down to traffic and "eyes", at least at face value.  Every member here adds financial value to A.org, for it'd be just another dead niche without the users.  Same with every website, what it boils down to in the end is each head has a dollar value, and ad revenue can be a massive thing.  A.org sees a lot of traffic, and A.org has bills to pay to give us the service we've come to expect.

That being said, you can look at sites like digg.com, when they did their last "revision" to also demonstrate how quick the loyal users can "flip", heh.  All hell broke loose when they rolled out Digg v4, and they really had to back pedal to hang onto users, and honestly I think they lost a lot of ground to Reddit and such.  That was due to them ignoring user input, and I fear it effectively cinched the noose around digg's neck.

Warts and all, A.org is of great value because of the users that frequent here - yes, even the "Franko's" and guys like me that often come off as argumentative.  We're Amigans.  We're all a little dented in the head to be fiddling around with this old 7 mhz base hardware, when 3ghz PC's can be bought for $200.  :lol:  

That is what makes the community great, dedication and respect for this old Amiga stuff despite technology passing it all by 15 years ago, we still slug away at it.

I like A.org as it is now, and I've been on the 'net long enough to not be one of these old farts 2 years down the road whining about "the good old days" when changes are inevitable.  The "good old days" people generally speak of is a time when someone that currently annoys them was never on said forums years ago, heh.  Whining helps nothing, make some constructive suggestions!

My only gripe with the site is vBulletin itself - just something I have never liked, and never will - but there wasn't much option when it came to "crunch time" when the boys needed to modernize the site last go around.  Improvements to A.org, while in the hands of the "powers that be" at last call, are essentially governed by community interests and suggestions.  If the "Boss" makes wild changes that are hated, people do have elsewhere to go - and I solely follow A.org out of all the Amiga sites because I love the community here, and that includes the guys I often disagree with, like Dammy :)

My 2 bits, anyways.  Thought it was about time I said something constructive rather than just fuel flames in the C-USA threads.  There isn't a site on the 'net I get more enjoyment out of than A.org.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: smerf on July 21, 2011, 02:48:09 AM
Hi,

@Kesa,

Will you finally tell them who owns Amiga.org. Don't stay silent about it anymore, just admit that you know

smerf
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 21, 2011, 02:52:35 AM
Quote from: save2600;650969
I would LMFAO if it was Doomy.  :lol:


Nah... if it was Doomy the site would have been up for sale on eBay, with the usual threat that if nobody buys it he's going to trash it... :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on July 21, 2011, 03:04:15 AM
Quote from: Franko;650979
Nah... if it was Doomy the site would have been up for sale on eBay, with the usual threat that if nobody buys it he's going to trash it... :)


Damn, don't give the current owner any new ideas!
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: smerf on July 21, 2011, 03:07:39 AM
Hi,

@all who can read this (or know how to read)

@Kesa (we will not include you on this)


1.Would moving ownership from *** to you get us the following things?

Franko banned
CUSA drivel restricted to one thread (properly, not in a "opening threads for bashing them is fine" kind of way)
stricter moderation regarding personal attacks, sorry, I mean "humour"

2.How much money are we talking about?

3.Do you agree that the community should own what it pays for?

Ans:  Get Franko banned,  (we tried this he keeps sneaking back in some how, just
        deal with it).

Ans: On CUSA, (Wow, your attention to detail on this means you spend to much time
                      doing nothing,  solution: get yourself a life).

Ans: Strickter moderation  (You want to give the big K more power, I can barely live
                                      with it now).

Ans: money  (Yes, I know I have been lax lately, well maybe a little more than lately,
                   the kitty has been looking a little lean lately, so lets all feed  the kitty).

Ans: Community ownership (You bunch of loonies can't determine a direction for an
                                      obsolete, defunct, old but enjoyable computer, and your
                                      going to try to run a website, Franko, please take charge
                                      here, your the only one with a sense of direction on this
                                      matter).

Last words, I think amiga.org is doing just fine,  thanks to transition, Pyromania, Karlos and Argo. (If forgot anyone well just suck it up, for FOAD (off and die).

and

Just remember if it wasn't for Karlos I wouldn't even be here.

smerf
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Darrin on July 21, 2011, 03:19:49 AM
Quote from: smerf;650983
Ans: money  (Yes, I know I have been lax lately, well maybe a little more than lately,
                   the kitty has been looking a little lean lately, so lets all feed  the kitty).


I "fed the kitty" over a month ago and my status has never changed.  I did get an email from Wayne here at AO stating it needed to clear PayPal and then.... nothing.  I assume Wayne booked himself a holiday using my payment and will never be seen again.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Kesa on July 21, 2011, 04:05:04 AM
Quote from: Darrin;650984
I "fed the kitty" over a month ago and my status has never changed.  I did get an email from Wayne here at AO stating it needed to clear PayPal and then.... nothing.  I assume Wayne booked himself a holiday using my payment and will never be seen again.

What changed? :confused:
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Kesa on July 21, 2011, 04:11:46 AM
What i would like to see is a reimplementation of A.org into a modern forum site as i definitely feel it's showing it's age. I have been over to Whyzatt? and it looks amazing. Wayne should be commended for building such a nice site. We should do the same for Amiga.org. I know this is probably unrealistic but i definitely feel a better quality website will increase user satisfaction which will attract new users and keep the current ones happier,  etc.  

@Smerf. Stop picking on me!
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: XDelusion on July 21, 2011, 04:12:46 AM
I LOVE it here and can't really think of anyone I don't get along with here!

I don't make much but would contribute what I can as I have done before on various bounties be they Amiga related or DOOM related...

...speaking of which, I don't think I've ever donated to this site and should do so soon.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: persia on July 21, 2011, 04:13:26 AM
I have no complaints on how it's run.  Seems to me the present setup is working fine.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: SysAdmin on July 21, 2011, 04:22:45 AM
Video about the current Amiga.org site owner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWQk0WawDlo
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: mfletcher on July 21, 2011, 04:43:16 AM
Quote from: save2600;650969
I would LMFAO if it was Doomy.  :lol:


Heres what would happen

Doomy would announce "Amiga.org" members club. For $99.95 a year you will get milspec hardware delivered to your door once a year.

Whole bunch of saps sign up.

Doomy relocates to Hawaii.

Bunch of saps get butthurt when their promised hardware doesnt arrive.

Doomy blames USPS.

The end.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: whiteb on July 21, 2011, 05:24:54 AM
Quote from: save2600;650969
I would LMFAO if it was Doomy.  :lol:


You need to wash your brain with soap, Gargle with Hydrogen peroxide for attempting to speak while you typed, and finally, Antibacterial soap for the hands and acid bath your keyboard for finally using to type that statement :)

The way I see it is, its a bit sad if it turns out that it was a "Business" Decision to own A.org, I for one would have wanted someone who had the Amiga passion who owned it, but that said, how do I know it is not already ? Perhaps the owner is.

If I had the SPARE money, I would not miss a beat in buying A.org, and have it for the community, but I can see why the owner wants to remain in the dark, I am sure if it was public, the owner would be getting BOMBARDED with "Why was i banned, xxxx mod is such a B'stard, reinstate me".  But anyway, I like A.org, I also like Abime.net, they have their niche places, and we need them both for the continued survival and support of the Amiga community.  Long live A.org and Abime.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 21, 2011, 05:38:21 AM
Quote from: Pyromania;650981
Damn, don't give the current owner any new ideas!


:eek: TOO LATE :eek:

(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Funny/AorgEbay02.jpg)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: AmigaHeretic on July 21, 2011, 05:41:10 AM
I thought we already knew who bought the site?

* * *.  Is his name not allowed to be said here or something?
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 21, 2011, 05:51:37 AM
Quote from: AmigaHeretic;651011
I thought we already knew who bought the site?

* * *.  Is his name not allowed to be said here or something?


:lol: :roflmao: :lol:

Zat answer your question... :roflmao:
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: AmigaHeretic on July 21, 2011, 06:28:03 AM
This thread is strange, you're asking us our opinion about giving you money so we can feel better about knowing who owns the site.  Except we know who owns the site.  

It the same guy that is the "former Netscape exec" that donated to the Mozilla bounty.  He is also the CEO of DiscreetFX.  We just can't type his name I guess?   Is that listed in the TOS?  

So I guess I feel 100% confortable not transfering it since we already know who it is.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: buzz on July 21, 2011, 08:11:45 AM
Perhaps because they are embarrassed to have spent $xxxx and are now stuck with a forum with no resale value ? :) (and full of old codgers! - let's be honest, the site was never worth the asking price, the value in the site is from the users, and perhaps a little in the name, but certainly not what was asked for)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: persia on July 21, 2011, 01:29:53 PM
Time to bring on the Spanish Lesbians!
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: tone007 on July 21, 2011, 01:30:59 PM
Quote from: persia;651059
Time to bring on the Spanish Lesbians!


I know a couple who might be interested...
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: eliyahu on July 21, 2011, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: AmigaHeretic;651011
I thought we already knew who bought the site?

* * *.  Is his name not allowed to be said here or something?
i'm sorry, but this is ridiculous.  by virtue of the fact the this is being edited, we know the owner's first name. assuming that 'ted' actually exists. frankly this whole thread stinks of some bizarre mind-game.

here. let me help you: ted, ted, ted, ted. ted. oh, yeah, how 'bout a little more ted? let's continue this farcical cry for attention and controversy:

ted!!!! hoo-ray for ted! :nervous:

no one actually cares. as one of the lunatics, i think it's rather clear we would just like the asylum under sane management. whose management doesn't matter. just knowing someone was actually (and actively) in charge would be a comfort.

i quite enjoy amiga.org as it is certainly more light-hearted than my other amiga hang-outs, but since wayne and some of the other 'old-hands' jumped ship, the site does seem to be spiraling downward. karlos can only do so much, and i'm pleased to see more active moderation since the beginning of the week, so thank you to whomever is responsible. they can remain anonymous if they'd prefer, for whatever reason. :sealed:

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: number6 on July 21, 2011, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;651063
i'm sorry, but this is ridiculous.  by virtue of the fact the this is being edited, we know the owner's first name. assuming that 'ted' actually exists. frankly this whole thread stinks of some bizarre mind-game.

here. let me help you: ted, ted, ted, ted. ted. oh, yeah, how 'bout a little more ted? let's continue this farcical cry for attention and controversy:

ted!!!! hoo-ray for ted! :nervous:

no one actually cares. as one of the lunatics, i think it's rather clear we would just like the asylum under sane management. whose management doesn't matter. just knowing someone was actually (and actively) in charge would be a comfort.

i quite enjoy amiga.org as it is certainly more light-hearted than my other amiga hang-outs, but since wayne and some of the other 'old-hands' jumped ship, the site does seem to be spiraling downward. karlos can only do so much, and i'm pleased to see more active moderation since the beginning of the week, so thank you to whomever is responsible. they can remain anonymous if they'd prefer, for whatever reason. :sealed:

-- eliyahu



Hmm...perhaps it keeps being edited out because everyone is spelling it wrong.
Congratulation btw. You just set the record for spelling it wrong most often in one post. Heh.

#6
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: eliyahu on July 21, 2011, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: number6;651065
Hmm...perhaps it keeps being edited out because everyone is spelling it wrong.
Congratulation btw. You just set the record for spelling it wrong most often in one post. Heh.

#6
you mean, i should spell it '***?' the misspelling was deliberate on my part, by the way. has anyone ever met ***? or spoken to him on the telephone? or seen a picture of him? i mean, '***' was a vice president at lehman and an executive at netscape. i would think that, aside from a *** with no connections, he has no non-amiga internet presence whatsoever.

i'm starting to doubt the guy even exists. if someone, other than bill, has had direct contact with him via audio, video, or in person, could they say so?

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: number6 on July 21, 2011, 02:31:16 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;651068
you mean, i should spell it 'tedd?' the misspelling was deliberate on my part, by the way. has anyone ever met ***? or spoken to him on the telephone? or seen a picture of him? i mean, '* * *' was a vice president at lehman and an executive at netscape. i would think that, aside from a *** with no connections, he has no non-amiga internet presence whatsoever.

i'm starting to doubt the guy even exists. if someone, other than bill, has had direct contact with him via audio, video, or in person, could they say so?

-- eliyahu


Regardless, the "introduction", so to speak was on AW, not on Amiga.org. It was referred to later in an OSNews articles with many comments. Still later BillP clarified the introduction also on AW. It could not be more clear how *** had 1st intended to support the community. The date of the effort should be enough explanation in itself as to why things did not go as hoped.

#6
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: eliyahu on July 21, 2011, 02:35:52 PM
Quote from: number6;651069
Regardless, the "introduction", so to speak was on AW, not on Amiga.org. It was referred to later in an OSNews articles with many comments. Still later BillP clarified the introduction also on AW. It could not be more clear how *** had 1st intended to support the community. The date of the effort should be enough explanation in itself as to why things did not go as hoped.

#6
perhaps i'm just missing history. certainly wouldn't be the first time. :)

but as far as anyone has been able to tell me, *** exists only electronically. you're sort of the doyen of the amiga community: can you unequivocally state that *** exists as a real, flesh-and-blood person? that would certainly be good enough for me.

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: tone007 on July 21, 2011, 02:57:07 PM
Maybe, who knows!

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3958&start=60
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on July 21, 2011, 03:40:47 PM
To those few that think I am the owner of Amga.org I can only say in these tough economic times.

"I Wish!"

He is rich and man would it be nice!

One thing I would not take is his lack of computer skills. He admits he knows almost nothing about computers and has difficultly learning.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 21, 2011, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;651070
perhaps i'm just missing history. certainly wouldn't be the first time. :)

but as far as anyone has been able to tell me, *** exists only electronically. you're sort of the doyen of the amiga community: can you unequivocally state that *** exists as a real, flesh-and-blood person? that would certainly be good enough for me.

-- eliyahu


All I can say is, in my one year here I think I've had more contact with the owner here than most, (Bit like when I was at school, think I was the only kid that the Headmaster kept a spot in his schedule clear for me each week as it had become such a regular occurrence of me being sent there) anywhoo  I digress... :)

From my own contact with the owner, I can safely say I am firmly of the impression that he has nothing but the best of intentions for the Amiga Community and is both a fan and great supporter of us and the Amiga. While I understand why he may wish to try and remain anonymous (a lot of nutters about you know) and I respect that even though I may not agree with this Howard Huges approach.. :)

I can only say it's really not of any importance to actually know who owns this site and don't understand what all the fuss is about over it, there is always Bill you can contact if you've got something to ask but you can also contact Transition himself anyway via PM... :)

Thing is if you enjoy the site like you say then what's the need to know who or what owns it, just enjoy the place and accept thing for what they are if your happy with them (which you seem to be). I don't even watch the BBC but just because I have to buy a TV Licence each year to pay the BBC for something I haven't watched for over 15 years (yes we've still gotta buy a TV licence in this country or risk going to jail) doesn't mean I need to or want to know who the current Director General is (and yes that his title, bloody mad in this country so they are)... :)

Talk Amiga, talk rubbish, have a laugh, have a serious conversation even... but there's no point in worrying about who exactly owns the place, which you can do for free and the subscription fee (if you want to pay for one) is a hell of a lot cheaper than a poxy TV Licence I assure you (and at least you don't risk a £5000 fine or jail time for not subscribing)... :)

The site is free so enjoy something for free and be happy & for that privilege... :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: number6 on July 21, 2011, 04:12:40 PM
Quote from: Pyromania;651075
To those few that think I am the owner of Amga.org I can only say in these tough economic times.

"I Wish!"

He is rich and man would it be nice!

One thing I would not take is his lack of computer skills. He admits he knows almost nothing about computers and has difficultly learning.



That's not unusual for a CEO or manager really. I still remember Carl Sassenrath's story about teaching Bill McEwen how to use irc at Amiwest...
Seriously though, using an Amiga/like OS is something almost all of us could help him with, assuming he wants to expand that knowledge.

#6
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Argo on July 21, 2011, 06:16:53 PM
Quote from: Pyromania;651075
To those few that think I am the owner of Amga.org I can only say in these tough economic times.

"I Wish!"

He is rich and man would it be nice!

One thing I would not take is his lack of computer skills. He admits he knows almost nothing about computers and has difficultly learning.


A Computer (retro) Portal owned by a Ludite... :eek:
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: TheMagicM on July 22, 2011, 02:40:17 AM
Quote from: save2600;650969
i would lmfao if it was doomy.  :lol:


lmao!!
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: AmigaHeretic on July 22, 2011, 05:52:29 AM
Quote from: Franko;651078
All I can say is, in my one year here I think I've had more contact with the owner here than most,

Speak for yourself.  I have a business lunch with the man at least once a week for the last 2 years since he bought Amiga.org.  Yeah, me and * * * are close friends.  Why just last week he loaned me his G6 to for a quick breakfast in France one morning.  Hell of a guy!
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: AmigaHeretic on July 22, 2011, 06:12:49 AM
To all the people that think the real owner of Amiga.org never
existed where do you think the money came from for the site? How
did Wayne get paid?  There is obviously someone behind or this or
do you believe it is Transition. Why fake not having the money?

Good thing we have the site at least. I'm glad someone thought
about buying it I guess even if the owner is a ghost or just
lost soul.  This a home to many people around to show their
love of of the Amiga. I would have been a shame to have lost
it two years ago. So thanks for keeping it around.  And I for
one am thankful it remains. I hope someday though that we can
no longer fight and the site comes back to it's old glory.

That is all.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Franko on July 22, 2011, 06:13:08 AM
Quote from: AmigaHeretic;651150
Speak for yourself.  I have a business lunch with the man at least once a week for the last 2 years since he bought Amiga.org.  Yeah, me and * * * are close friends.  Why just last week he loaned me his G6 to for a quick breakfast in France one morning.  Hell of a guy!

Pah... that's nuthin...  * * * * flies me out to the USA 3 times a day for breakfast, lunch and dinner and he didn't loan me but gave me his old CRAY II just so the squirrels could have something to play Bubble Bobble on when they're not on Ninja duty... :p

France... pah... * * * * sent me brain on a world cruise and it's been happily travelling the globe for the past year and sends me nice postcards from each destination it visits, just got one this morning from a nice wee place called Death Valley (seems the ships kinda stuck at there at the moment but the sun quite hot it says)... :)

& yes * * * * a hell of a guy... so stick that in yer pipe and smoke it... :)

PS: That's four * * * * 's not three... numptie... :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: psxphill on July 22, 2011, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: AmigaHeretic;651150
Why just last week he loaned me his G6 to for a quick breakfast in France one morning. Hell of a guy!

You got to france in a G6?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_G6
 
It would have been more believable if you'd said G650
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G650
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Pyromania on February 26, 2012, 02:02:01 AM
I have a update for everyone in case you did not listen to Amiga Round Table Episode #53.

http://www.amigaz.org/2012/01/29/art-episode-53-transition-speaks/

The current owner is playing buy and hold for now. Of course I am the Site Admin and will remain in place as will the great moderation team. I'm just reporting this for the sake of transparency. Ownership of the site will not transition to me anytime soon. The moderators on Amiga.org work very hard and deserve your thanks. I really appreciate their help with Amiga.org, they are awesome.
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Methuselas on February 26, 2012, 03:15:41 AM
I wanted to keep quiet about this, with the Presidential Elections coming, but I figure it's time to come clean. I've been thinking about revealing myself since this thread was started by Bill last July, but we thought it best that I remain silent.

*I* own Amiga.org. I paid for it with a quart of pork fried rice, 10 cartons of Kools and 6 shaggy goats. I like goats. A LOT. In fact, you can almost say that goats and I have been misunderstood for many years. Since the Presidential Elections are fast approaching and my independent party is wanting me to make a press statement about my impending run for the Presidency, I thought it best to start here. A lot of people think I'm Bill Gates, but this is really who I am:






















(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/arikel_tolifen/418684_10150544468876316_582476315_9323837_1661037649_n.jpg)


I'd like to thank you *ALL* for your souls........ and I look forward to meeting you in the Eternal Fires of Hell.

;)
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Kesa on February 26, 2012, 06:59:17 AM
Damn. This explains why they were not impressed by my offer of 3 tons of fresh horse **** :(
Title: Re: Amiga.org Ownership Resolution
Post by: Methuselas on February 26, 2012, 07:16:14 PM
Quote from: Kesa;681577
Damn. This explains why they were not impressed by my offer of 3 tons of fresh horse **** :(


Should have thrown in some Kools. Everyone loves menthol! :roflmao: