My evening with Commodore USA, LLC

[bloodline]

@Dandy

FWIW AROS 68k can run original amiga apps, that's the point of AROS

[Franko]

Hi Franko,

Not wanting to brag about size here - but back in the old days I had two 65 mB RLL harddisks connected to my A500 via Omti RLL controller and 'ct-interface - just curious how that would have been called...
 :lol:

Hi Dandy

Well if you had two of them then I reckon "Circus Show Freak" or "The Elephant Man" would have been appropriate...

(I remember paying £459 for my 120MB HD for my old A1500... :eek:)

[Dandy]

@Dandy

FWIW AROS 68k can run original amiga apps, that's the point of AROS

Now you confuse me - AROS 68k???

I thought AROS was for x86 architecture?

Why would I want to run an 68k version of AROS on an 68k machine, that runs 68k apps anyway?

[bloodline]

Now you confuse me - AROS 68k???

I thought AROS was for x86 architecture?

Why would I want to run an 68k version of AROS on an 68k machine, that runs 68k apps anyway?

Appologies, I thought you were aware of this.

AROS currently runs on x86/PPC/68k and ARM... On the 68k original Amiga applications run as they would on AmigaOS.

The key advantage with AROS is that you can run an Amiga emulator (or MiniMig/Replay/Natami) like UAE without the need to have a real Amiga ROM (which is obviously copyrighted), plus AROS can take advantage of modern features natively without the need to patch the system.

[Daedalus]

I don't know why you would think that.  CUSA's machines will certainly be able to run 68k code.  They will do it the same way that any of the PPC Amiga solutions would run it, via emulation.  PPC processors do not run 68k code natively any more than an x86.  CUSA has stated that they have the rights to distribute the original Kickstarts and Workbenches, and that they will be integrating UAE into their distribution.  This means that all of your existing 68k applications should work just as well on a CUSA system as on an OS4 or MorphOS system.

Running 68k apps in OS4, MorphOS or AROS (when it gets that far), while emulating the CPU, runs the apps with native APIs, and that's a huge difference. If I want to run 68k software on another system it needs to be run in an emulated system, that means its own OS install, desktop etc. in a window, potentially with different menu layouts, shortcuts and limitations like lack of drag n drop and ARexx between native apps and the 68k apps in the emulated system. There are no such limitations when running 68k software on OS4 etc. Most people couldn't even tell the difference between a 68k and PPC app running under OS4/MorphOS, and that's a huge difference from the UAE scenario of running 68k software on foreign systems.

[Dandy]

Hi Dandy

Well if you had two of them then I reckon "Circus Show Freak" or "The Elephant Man" would have been appropriate...

 :lol:

(I remember paying £459 for my 120MB HD for my old A1500... :eek:)

Mine was a do-it-yourself solution. IIRC, I payed somewhat around 60 DM for the 'ct-interface, that provided one PC_XT slot to fit the OMTI RLL controller into (which I got for free when dismantling an old PC), where I could connect two RLL drives to (I got two 65 mB drives for free from a friend who had no longer use for this old stuff).

Annother friend had a nice external case for two 5 1/4" devices that he no longer had use for and donated it to me.

This case provided enough space to fit the OMTI RLL in it, as well as the interior equipment of an PC PSU. That way I got rid of the original A500 PSU.
Looked quite professional.

[jorkany]

Now you confuse me - AROS 68k???

I thought AROS was for x86 architecture?

Why would I want to run an 68k version of AROS on an 68k machine, that runs 68k apps anyway?

AROS is open source, and so can go places other OSes cannot.

An advantage of running AROS on a 68K machine is that AROS is still being actively developed.

[joetee]

Thanks for sharing your story.

I think that any new "Amiga" is much more appealing with a Catweasel card to read Amiga floppy disks.  I have a Catweasel in both of my Umithlon machines and 1 in the FeeCee I run UAE on as well.  My wife and I have thousands of 3 1/2" disks (I was AmigaAtlanta PD librarian for 10 years) and its neato-cool to still be able to use them just like we did last century.
The drive even sounds the same!
The CatWeasel is awesome hardware and every time I add another emulated Amiga: I buy another CatWeasel to make it much more like a Commodore Amiga.

[Fats]

Amiga Inc still owns and controls *all relevant* (in 2011) IP. The way I see it, they aren't the losers in the deal.

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Nice spin on the history. And I thought that A.Inc sued Hyperion to get the right for AOS4. AFAICS they did not succeed in that. I don't think they had to sue Hyperion to keep the trademark on the Amiga name or for OS3.x

greets,
Staf.

[dammy]

Nice spin on the history. And I thought that A.Inc sued Hyperion to get the right for AOS4. AFAICS they did not succeed in that. I don't think they had to sue Hyperion to keep the trademark on the Amiga name or for OS3.x

greets,
Staf.

I took TMHG's "relevant IP" as meaning as far as what AI has as far as source code, trademarks, and copyrights.

[actung_bab]

Sorry Jim,

But the man is a  <--- moderated myself there.

Try an convince him to make a sane business plan.

Hell, if he marketed "Amiga" products along the lines of cases for classic machines, Minimig, FPGA or Natami then I'd buy them.

This whole "Amiga PC" with "Workbench 5" is utter crap!

dont you get it the amiga thing is hot air and smoke screen to take attention away from the x1000 camp , same old ploy  amiga inc used .
fine if you want build a pc in c64 looking case fine but dont try sell the amiga crap
he either just hyping it up hoping to draw attention or backing to his project

as for them going on about the cost of the case design that just what you have to pay for
the plastic tooling and dyes nothing unusaul about that but doesint mean its some great plan
bottom line for this to work he got sell thousands of pcs with retro cases
and there already others on the market good luck with that

[Fats]

I took TMHG's "relevant IP" as meaning as far as what AI has as far as source code, trademarks, and copyrights.

I know, and my point is that they already got that before they sued Hyperion.
Ok, summary of the history (with my spin on it of course ):
- A.Inc: Hyperion, we own the right to AOS4 give it to us.
- Hyperion: No sir, sue us if you want it.
- A. Inc sues
- A.Inc & Hyperion fight rolling over the floor...
- Hyperion: We won, we got the exclusive right to AmigaOS4 and next versions.
- A.Inc: We won, we kept our right to OS3,x and the Amiga name

greets,
Staf.

[Dandy]

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CUSA's machines
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Wow - up to now I didn't know CUSA have their own St. Nicholas...