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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: SysAdmin on April 23, 2012, 01:10:15 AM
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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/consumer-preview?ocid=O_MSC_W8P_OandO_ITPro_EN-US
No one smart enough left to put up a proper video that you can actually view.
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Too much information.................. can not process............................
The Icons remind me of big atari 2600 pixels.
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I'm not sure whether it is meant to make me upgrade to Windows 8 or make me want to stay with Windows 7. I think it is the latter.
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Or upgrade to FreeDOS.
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Great video! Makes me want to go out and buy a tablet :whack:
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Because spastic, hipper-than-thou editing, zero real information, and music that sounds like an ad studio's attempt to mash up every single genre that's "popular with the Kids These Days" into one song is totally a winning formula. And bonus points for the continued pathetic "hey, maybe this will get people to use Silverlight!" attempts.
You know what's really sad? The infamous Windows 386 Sexless Porno was more informative about the actual product, better-directed, and more entertaining than this mess.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noEHHB6rnMI[/youtube]
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I am waiting to see how they (Microsoft) are going to sell this crap to corporate users. Either as a Windows Vista II or Windows ME replacement or a way to lose even more productivity from staff who prefer to spend their whole working day on social networks.
The only decent OS Microsoft has produced is Windows XP. It was easy to customize and allowed users to get on with the job of using their PC without crap such as Aero interface and with dumb buttons which are only useful for those with a touch screen.
On a final note - Am I the only one who believes that Windows 8 is like MS BOB? A dumb interface for idiots who don't deserve to own a computer.
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Somebody at Microsoft has a serious case of Apple envy.....
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Idea. Why don't they use a games console style GUI such as the one on the Xbox instead of trying to turn Windows into a smart phone?
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I am waiting to see how they (Microsoft) are going to sell this crap to corporate users. Either as a Windows Vista II or Windows ME replacement or a way to lose even more productivity from staff who prefer to spend their whole working day on social networks.
That's the big question with this whole thing. Microsoft have insisted "oh, don't worry about it, we've got that covered, we're just not going to say how," but I rather doubt it - if they had something to allay business-user concerns, why would they not be letting it out, if they plan to launch this thing this fall? I honestly kind of suspect Windows 8 is going to make Vista look like a success...
I know of plenty of businesses that haven't even upgraded to Vista or 7 yet; I wonder how many skipped versions it will take before Microsoft gets the hint that people really just want the XP interface back, on top of better underlying OS versions?
On a final note - Am I the only one who believes that Windows 8 is like MS BOB? A dumb interface for idiots who don't deserve to own a computer.
No, sir, you are not. Not in the least.
Idea. Why don't they use a games console style GUI such as the one on the Xbox instead of trying to turn Windows into a smart phone?
Either way they'd be forcing an inapplicable UI paradigm onto desktop and laptop computers for no good reason...
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Because Windows Phone has been able to grab a whopping 0.8% of the smart phone market?
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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/consumer-preview?ocid=O_MSC_W8P_OandO_ITPro_EN-US
No one smart enough left to put up a proper video that you can actually view.
no kidding.
this is how its done...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJVtfRTH4mk
gives lots of valuable info...
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What i don't understand is how can they be so stupid? Surely they are aware of how unpopular it is and people already deciding it is a flop even before it has come out. Why aren't they listening? :confused:
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There's nothing wrong with the video, it's just that folks here aren't the target audience.
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Its probably great on phones and tablets but as a desktop replacement OS...I know i wont be using it, i'll stick with windows 7 me thinks :)
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You can opt for a more standard desktop. Most people will just do that unless they are on a tablet or phone. Its just like having two window managers in linux I suppose. You can choose which ui you want to use.
Also I suppose...
And now they won't need windows mobile and seperate windows versions for desktop pcs. They are going to put this one os on everything.
Thats a smart move. They can lay off half their software developers (if they haven't already)
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hmmmm.......
Windows 2000....finally Microsoft release an OS worth trying....GUI looks horrible.
XP...shat GUI Fischer Price "my first GUI ages 3-6" BUT genuinely effective using SP1 OR SP2 and uxtheme patcher=1000s of GUI styles. Win2000 with more device drivers and very customisable look of GUI engine.
Vista...destructive GUI that even sitting idle will blow a real GPU inside a laptop. Looks nice for once!
Win 7 ..... looks c0ck like Win ME ie talentless pixel artist diarrhoea GUI and genuinely unusable on Netbooks (THE big thing at the time) due to that full screening if you drag windows off screen bollocks. Also apart from using less ram it is just as bad at wasting CPU cycles.
Win 8......people will buy this? Doesn't matter it will be free! ;)
Does Win 8 play Xbox 360 game DVDs as promised??
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You can opt for a more standard desktop. Most people will just do that unless they are on a tablet or phone. Its just like having two window managers in linux I suppose. You can choose which ui you want to use.
Also I suppose...
And now they won't need windows mobile and seperate windows versions for desktop pcs. They are going to put this one os on everything.
Thats a smart move. They can lay off half their software developers (if they haven't already)
Will be "free" on 80% of computers sold world wide and Joe public doesn't install different OS. This is the Microsoft trojan effect, doesn't matter if it's sh1t ;)
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I don't think I will be upgrading to this any time soon. Windows 7 had been out a while before I decided to upgrade from XP. Then again I have been using Sabayon as my main OS for a while now.
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There's nothing wrong with the video, it's just that folks here aren't the target audience.
Uh, no, there's everything wrong with the video. The music is annoying crap that doesn't have any idea what it wants to be other than "moderne," the animation is directionless, non-fluid awkward start-and-stop that moves like a newbie Flash animation, and the whole thing conveys next to no real information about what this thing is actually going to be like in daily use (i.e. the entire point of the video.) Even putting aside the question of Windows 8's actual merits, this is an ugly failure of an advertisement thrown together by soulless marketroids. Whoever their ad agency was, they should fire them.
You can opt for a more standard desktop. Most people will just do that unless they are on a tablet or phone. Its just like having two window managers in linux I suppose. You can choose which ui you want to use.
You can't make it go away entirely, though, not without employing third-party hacks. Metro Team want you to APPRECIATE THEIR WORK, DAMMIT!
Will be "free" on 80% of computers sold world wide and Joe public doesn't install different OS. This is the Microsoft trojan effect, doesn't matter if it's sh1t ;)
Didn't save Vista from losing the public-opinion war hard, and Vista was more palatable than this to business customers at least. Microsoft had quite a patch in the mid-2000s of learning the hard way that they aren't as unstoppable as they think they are; I expect this will be another repetition of the same lesson. Nobody had to switch to Linux or Mac to make their point, all they had to do was stick with XP...
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The fact that I checked out the link on my Android phone and it couldn't display the video because they used a stupid proprietary Silverlight format was fail enough for me. But then again, I am the only person in the world who uses a smartphone to browse the web, right?
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The fact that I checked out the link on my Android phone and it couldn't display the video because they used a stupid proprietary Silverlight format was fail enough for me. But then again, I am the only person in the world who uses a smartphone to browse the web, right?
And the only person in the world who doesn't have Silverlight installed because absolutely nothing uses it! Clearly!
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Didn't save Vista from losing the public-opinion war hard, and Vista was more palatable than this to business customers at least. Microsoft had quite a patch in the mid-2000s of learning the hard way that they aren't as unstoppable as they think they are; I expect this will be another repetition of the same lesson. Nobody had to switch to Linux or Mac to make their point, all they had to do was stick with XP...
Win 7 is just Vista which uses less RAM but in the corporate world forcing everyone's workstation specs up by 1gb or 1.5gb to run the same business apps was not acceptable at time of Vista launch. Same number of consumer laptops/PCs were sold so the Trojan effect works.
For me and many others XP does the same job so upgrade sales on Win 7 vs Vista reflects marketing not quality of product, and marketing bullcrap about how fast and efficient 7 was with lies like "as fast as XP" by clueless "engineers" helping sales.
Let's be honest, memory is dirt cheap these days and properly configured Vista is less annoying than 7 and looks better. Win 7 requires the same mhz to do anything as Vista (ie 50-100% more than XP which can play DVD quality xvid/divx files 24fps with Pentium II mobile @ 266mhz btw).
So all in all XP is a thorn in M$ side, hence why DX10 was made Vista only despite Crysis DX10 demos being launch on an XP rig :lol:
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Uh, no, there's everything wrong with the video. The music is annoying crap that doesn't have any idea what it wants to be other than "moderne,"
It's an up beat, catchy tune. It fits with the scheme of the video. They could have use classical music or R&B, but that wouldn't make sense would it?
the animation is directionless
It's not directionless in the least. It shows a plausable, real world usage of the setup.
Here's the flow:
Shows the intro screen
shows the stock viewer
shows the sames section
shows some games
Highlights the photos applet
Shows the picture library, browses pictures
Brings up charms bar to mail a friend a picture from the library
User gets a PM while viewing the photo roll ("where are we meeting?")
User switches over to the maps feature, finds a location in the maps
user brings up the PM side bar to say "lemme check"
user searches for a coffee joint, finds it then replies
buddy asks for a ski proposal,
user pops up the desktop environ, brings up a power point and shoots it off to friend
Video pans out to to a view showing the software stack running on a PC, a notebook and a tablet, all with the same programs and UI.
non-fluid
It was extremely fluid
awkward start-and-stop that moves like a newbie Flash animation
Wasn't awkward in the least and it didn't look anything like a "newbie" flash anim.
and the whole thing conveys next to no real information about what this thing is actually going to be like in daily use
Wrong, what it's like using the system was the entirety of the video.
Even putting aside the question of Windows 8's actual merits, this is an ugly failure of an advertisement thrown together by soulless marketroids. Whoever their ad agency was, they should fire them.
They did a fairly in depth overview and managed to fit it in a 1 minute time frame.
The video was designed to highlight an array of features to an audience of non-technical, Joe average consumers who are primarily interested in using the device for entertainment and communication. The target audience would be put off by anything longer than a minute that wasn't upbeat and looked cool.
Folks like you who foam at the mouth every time you see the word
"metro" on the screen aren't the target audience. Of course you hate it, it would never be possible for them to put together a presentation you'd find interesting.
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Same ol' same ol' Microsoft, customers say "we don't like XYB". Microsoft reply "let's add another manager for that job". The OS then degenerates into a bloated mess of files splattered about your hard drive with a million managers to handle it all. No libs folder on Windows, DLL' s all over the place instead. That documents folder that you thought was actually for documents ends up with game save files in it and so on, messy, messy, messy. With AmigaOS everything is so much tidier, we just don't need that level of management. All those Windows users asking for a "simpler" Windows, they are asking for a simplification of this mess, not another dumb manager. Why is it Microsoft doesn't understand that.
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Win 7 is just Vista which uses less RAM but in the corporate world forcing everyone's workstation specs up by 1gb or 1.5gb to run the same business apps was not acceptable at time of Vista launch. Same number of consumer laptops/PCs were sold so the Trojan effect works.
For me and many others XP does the same job so upgrade sales on Win 7 vs Vista reflects marketing not quality of product, and marketing bullcrap about how fast and efficient 7 was with lies like "as fast as XP" by clueless "engineers" helping sales.
But the marketing thing was basically my point - Vista had plenty of actual drawbacks when it came out, but it failed as bad as it did through sheer force of word-of-mouth; early adopters found out it couldn't run for squat on low-to-mid-range systems they already owned and XP ran better even on the high-end rigs, and people buying new computers that were actually designed to run Vista got the word and started demanding XP instead, so much so that Microsoft was basically forced by OEMs to extend XP's product life well beyond what they'd ever intended for it. It was bad enough that all they had to do to sell the successor was to release nearly the same damn thing but make sure they called it nothing even resembling "Vista." Even now, Vista is still an industry punchline. That's how hard they lost the battle for public opinion.
And the astonishing thing about Windows 8 is that it appears to be losing the fight before it's even released, and Microsoft are just sitting on their hands doing nothing about it except saying "hey, trust us, when was the last time we stunned and disappointed you with a steaming pile of crap?" At which point everybody laughs and says, "Vista, dumbass!"
(And I totally agree about XP - that's why I'm still using it. Got a fresh install on my new Core 2 Duo laptop, and a partition set aside to investigate alternative OSes, in case Microsoft doesn't get the hint and bring back the classic interface by the time this one wears out.)
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How many of you are *actually* using Windows 8 and Windows Server 8 betas as main or secondary (but frequently accessed) operating systems, on a every-day basis, to claim it's useless, painful and so on? It's just different. And different doesn't necessarily mean "bad". There will be many drawbacks for people insisting to use Win 8 as it was one of its precedessors, but it won't be so bad for people accustoming to the new interface. The problem, here, is that Microsoft doesn't seem to have the right clues about targets: disabling the start menu on Server 8 is just a way to make it less useable, since servers WON'T ever have any touch interface. But going deeper in the system, you notice that they have also placed some new links here and there to access the same apps/features in a different way, sometimes even faster than before. I am confident they will do something similar also for mainstream releases.
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How many of you are *actually* using Windows 8 and Windows Server 8 betas as main or secondary (but frequently accessed) operating systems, on a every-day basis, to claim it's useless, painful and so on?
I am. I've been supporting Windows since 3.1.
It's just different. And different doesn't necessarily mean "bad". There will be many drawbacks for people insisting to use Win 8 as it was one of its precedessors, but it won't be so bad for people accustoming to the new interface.
It's not just different. It's bad design. Removing the start menu and replacing it with a touch interface is just plain stupid.
The problem, here, is that Microsoft doesn't seem to have the right clues about targets: disabling the start menu on Server 8 is just a way to make it less useable, since servers WON'T ever have any touch interface. But going deeper in the system, you notice that they have also placed some new links here and there to access the same apps/features in a different way, sometimes even faster than before. I am confident they will do something similar also for mainstream releases.
A touch screen interface with full screen apps just makes no sense on a desktop with a 24 inch monitor. Switching back to an old fashioned desktop with crap support for touch makes no sense on a tablet.
Windows 8 is a confused mess.
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It's an up beat, catchy tune. It fits with the scheme of the video. They could have use classical music or R&B, but that wouldn't make sense would it?
It's a scattershot attempt to hit a dozen different genres without actually going to the trouble of being any one of them, and as a result it fails at each. It's like a Seltzer-Friedberg "comedy:" it works on the theory that a cursory reference to something is just as good as understanding the real thing and incorporating it. (Hint: this is not true.) Time was they would hire Brian Eno to come up with a simple, coherent sound statement; now they're just chopping random bits together willy-nilly in FruityLoops.
It's not directionless in the least. It shows a plausable, real world usage of the setup.
I give you credit for following that; did you have to watch it more than once to piece it together? It didn't stick on any one thing long enough for me to tell what the hell was going on.
It was extremely fluid
Wasn't awkward in the least and it didn't look anything like a "newbie" flash anim.
It was awkward. The screen drags move like pulling a cinderblock across concrete; all velocity and no acceleration. It looks like what Flash newbies come up with when they first learn about motion tweening. I've never even designed a touch interface, and I know that's not how you do it, and not how you do animation in general.
Wrong, what it's like using the system was the entirety of the video.
Then they're in deeper trouble than I thought.
The video was designed to highlight an array of features to an audience of non-technical, Joe average consumers who are primarily interested in using the device for entertainment and communication. The target audience would be put off by anything longer than a minute that wasn't upbeat and looked cool.
Ah, the "viewers are goldfish" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ViewersAreGoldfish) principle. I don't believe the mythical "average person with a thirty-second attention span" exists, and if they did they'd be so braindead you wouldn't need an advertisement to sell to them; all you'd need to do is have the salesman talk at them long enough for them to forget what they were talking about and then go "sign this."
Folks like you who foam at the mouth every time you see the word
"metro" on the screen aren't the target audience. Of course you hate it, it would never be possible for them to put together a presentation you'd find interesting.
I'm never going to be interested in Metro, true, but it would've been entirely possible for them to put together an in-depth, aesthetically pleasing presentation of something I'm not interested in. This isn't even trying.
It's just different. And different doesn't necessarily mean "bad". There will be many drawbacks for people insisting to use Win 8 as it was one of its precedessors, but it won't be so bad for people accustoming to the new interface.
As Bob says, it's bad design, pure and simple. Tablets are not desktop/laptop computers and laptop/desktop computers are not tablets, it's as simple as that. Trying to develop a hybrid interface for both is a fool's errand, and forcing the result on desktop Windows users is a recipe for pissing people right the hell off.
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Windows 8 is simply a direction for M$ to impact the mobile & touch screen markets. I have loaded their beta and found it very clumsy for a desktop OS, but can see the value on a tablet or someone who uses a large touch screen interface to move around documents, pictures, and the like. If any of you own a Xbox 360 you can see that they use a good bit of the screen interface with that console. I do not think there is enough there in Win 8 to move the majority of Win 7 users over. But, I do think M$ is chasing Apple and their approach to developer apps and the Apple Store aka "Windows Store". I can see Jobs smiling now as Apple now takes on the role of the "BORG" from Star Trek and simulate M$ to apply and share one collective conscious and to eventually takeover M$.
The Dawg
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It's not just different. It's bad design. Removing the start menu and replacing it with a touch interface is just plain stupid.
Old start menu is something I would call bad design. It was good improvement in 1995 but since then it became one of most useless features.
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It's not just different. It's bad design. Removing the start menu and replacing it with a touch interface is just plain stupid.
The metro start screen doesn't replace the start menu, all of the functionality that is currently part of the start menu is seperated out & you can use Windows 8 without ever using the start screen.
I don't think the start menu is that important, I spend very little time using it each day. So getting used to Windows 8 isn't going to be a huge leap for me. I lent my Windows 8 netbook to a teenage relative when they visited for the weekend and they never said a word.
I love some of the other ui improvements.
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The metro start screen doesn't replace the start menu, all of the functionality that is currently part of the start menu is seperated out & you can use Windows 8 without ever using the start screen.
That's not what I've read; if you could make the Metro Start screen go away normally, why would there be a third-party hack for it? Or did they change that in response to protest, finally?
I don't think the start menu is that important, I spend very little time using it each day.
Well, that's lovely for you, then. I do.
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Holy h**l, Windows 8 - the choice for the ADHD generation? After watching that video, I'm left feeling like I know less about the operating system than I did before, and my brain hurts, to boot.
On the upside, I'm surprised it played in Opera (I do have Silverlight installed), was expecting it to only play in IE.
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Old start menu is something I would call bad design. It was good improvement in 1995 but since then it became one of most useless features.
I'm not saying the old start menu was perfect. I just think the Metro replacement is crap.
The metro start screen doesn't replace the start menu, all of the functionality that is currently part of the start menu is seperated out & you can use Windows 8 without ever using the start screen.
Yeah, RIGHT clicking an invisible area in the lower left corner to get to some of the old start menu functionality is not intuitive.
Edit: Actually the metro screen does replace the start menu. It's labeled "Start" and if I hit the key to bring up the start menu Metro is displayed.
One of the most common things I do in Windows 7 is hit the left windows key and then start typing the name of the application I want. Makes it very easy to launch apps. Guess where that takes you in 8...
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Whether or not Windows 8 is any good I can't say - personally I don't think I'll ever use it.
But that video is horrible.
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One of the most common things I do in Windows 7 is hit the left windows key and then start typing the name of the application I want. Makes it very easy to launch apps. Guess where that takes you in 8...
I have no friggin clue. Could you just tell us?
Oldsmobile_Mike,
Holy h**l, Windows 8 - the choice for the ADHD generation? After watching that video, I'm left feeling like I know less about the operating system than I did before, and my brain hurts, to boot.
+1
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Win 8 is entirely usable on a desktop once you get rid of any Metro traces. Sadly, that entirely defeats the purpose of what MS is trying to bring to the table, and I'm afraid they are simply too little too late on the tablet front.
The whole Windows on Arm (now called Windows RT) is going to be a debacle.
The kicker for guys like me is: I use Win 7, day in, day out. IMHO, best Windows version yet. If I have to gut Windows 8 and otherwise disable everything "new and innovative" in it to make it a productive desktop environment, why in Christ would I even buy it? I won't.
That being said, this time next year PC's will be coming with W8 on them from OEM's. That's always been the MS gag - they did it with Vista as well. Release a new OS, new PC's come with that, and call it "progress". My personal feelings are that Windows 8, unless radically changed is the next "Vista" in the making. I state this as a MCSE/MCSA. I dread the idea of having to support Windows 8.
I mean that in a public perspective aspect - Vista is widely seen as a complete turd, yet they still did move 10 million copies of Vista into the market every single month for 18 consecutive months, making money on each and every copy, whether it be OEM, VLK, or retail SKU's of Vista..
Does that make said product "good"? Hell no, but the way the show gets played out, the way the OS and OEM system vendor relationships work, they will move a lot of copies of W8.
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I can't see the video so can't comment.
But I played with both sep2011 and the recent consumer test version...
- I have not found a way to get rid of the stupid metro start-screen (and neither have any sites I searched on except by installing 3th party replacements)
- .NET is (according to win8) no longer the future
- I really don't want/need a 30" phone :/
- I actually like Windows 7
so the future looks either Windows 7 till pc's no longer allow me to install it or jump ship...
Tom UK
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If it weren't for Netflix not supporting Linux, I would have already completely jumped ship. More and more games that I have are either on the Amiga, some other old platform, or simply work in wine, or even are native.
Literally the only reason I boot into Windows at all these days is to watch Netflix (which I'm probably canceling after I finish watching Deep Space 9 anyhow) and Video games.
Everyone I've talked to, even ones who love Windows 7, absolutely think Windows 8 is a joke.
Then of course there is the whole smart phone craziness with WP7 not being upgradeable to WP8 which is going to absolutely kill Nokia and any chance Microsoft had to get back into that space.
Unfortunately as most said, the OEMs will just eat it up and make their customers suffer through it.
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slaapliedje
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Old start menu is something I would call bad design. It was good improvement in 1995 but since then it became one of most useless features.
Was better than Program Manager crap on Windows 1-3 but then DOS was better than that bullcrap. But the ideal is object oriented direct 1:1 file location mapping and shortcuts plus context sensitive menu for each icon types IMO.
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The start menu is still there but in a different form, actually after playing around with it for awhile it becomes second nature.
The desktop is still there and old fashioned apps still run fine.
The hidden menus one where the start menu use to be and others on the sides are great once you work out what to do (as with any new OS/application).
I think it was time for a shake up from the old outdated interface.
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I think it was time for a shake up from the old outdated interface.
I don't give a rat's ass if designers want to play with new concepts, but when they take away the tried-and-true fallback (or bastardize it,) that's going too far. I'm already perfectly happy with the old interface, thanks, I don't need some art student-turned-UI designer at Microsoft telling me what I should be interested in.
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I don't give a rat's ass if designers want to play with new concepts, but when they take away the tried-and-true fallback (or bastardize it,) that's going too far. I'm already perfectly happy with the old interface, thanks, I don't need some art student-turned-UI designer at Microsoft telling me what I should be interested in.
Wow, taking things a little serious I think. MS are not trying to tell you anything, there's nothing wrong with the "tried and true" but things have to change otherwise we would stay in the same place.
Advancements wouldn't be made if the human race stuck with the same thing. As for the tried and true that's still there, the old desktop remains for older applications and for people to still use.
The start menu is even there in an improved manner, just hover the mouse over where the start menu use to be and hello a newer version of one appears :-)
I think people need to remain open minded and give things a try. Change should not be feared or put down, wait for it to be released for awhile.
A year or two from now I predict most people will have a different view. I was around for the Windows 3.11 to 95 change and that was very much the same thing, same arguments as well but just look where the 95 start menu got us, XP/Vista (shudder horrible OS just slightly better than ME) and 7.
I love 7, but it needs to evolve like most things do. I use to hate the new ribbon menu in Office 2007/2010 but since using it for awhile going back to Office 2003 etc and the interface feels outdated and slow.
I look back at Redhat Linux, first edition I tried was 4.0 had to mount drives manually, no real wireless drivers that worked straight out of the box, sound card drivers that never really worked properly. Would boot straight to the shell and then it was a struggle getting xwindows working with your graphics card once it loaded it was a struggle with a buggy windows manager and I compare that with the new interface of Ubuntu completely different but would I go back to Redhat 4.0 don't think so. Ubuntu is starting to feel more uniform and the UI just works.
Anyway give MS a chance let the tech mature. No need for hostile attacks, after all we're all adults here. Take a deep breath, slow down and enjoy life, tech, family, friends etc :-)
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I have netbook with Windows 8 installed, no metro applications will even work because the low resolution is not even supported! Ha holy crap! Also very very very annoying to use with a touchpad as you can keep setting off the invisible right-hand sidebar thingy everytime you need to use the scroll bar.
I didn't know I could press the Windows start (I knew that part) and just start typing away the name of the application I want to run... that is pretty cool, shame installing it never told me that! Overall W8 is just W7 with a touch-screen interface provided, for me its not of any interest as I don't plan on ever buying a desktop PC because I only use this netbook to test websites work in versions of IE- another story altogether.
Yes I can see W8 being a complete flop at first, but ppl will soon succumb to it. And yes that Vendor/OEM relationship sucks bigtime. Perhaps one day the OEM's will turn around and say f you- our customers want X instead of Y.
I don't really get the point of touch screen desktops, its just another form of repetitive strain injury. How can anyone use one over an extended time is beyond me!
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It's videos and OSes like this that make me really glad my primary OS is an Amiga, not a PC. All I need my PC to do is to run a web browser and OpenOffice.org's Base application (I hope one day that we have Base on AmigaOS, then I can get rid of the PC for good at work).
That video truly is awful though, and I'm not saying that out of any bias. It completely overfills your brain with visual information and you just don't know what's going on. Compare that to an Apple advert where they do basically the same thing, and Apple wins hands down (and incidentally, I am far from an Apple fan).
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I don't really get the point of touch screen desktops, its just another form of repetitive strain injury. How can anyone use one over an extended time is beyond me!
I guess it all comes down to usage. I do some things on my PC that touch screen just doesn't work well for (like typing this post) but my main PC usage is for art applications. Now, as a digital sketchbook the tablet is a wonderful tool and I could quite happily sit for hours without getting RSI. Will a tablet with added keyboard ever replace my desktop PC? It's only a matter of time I think.
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Wow, taking things a little serious I think. MS are not trying to tell you anything, there's nothing wrong with the "tried and true" but things have to change otherwise we would stay in the same place.
Advancements wouldn't be made if the human race stuck with the same thing. As for the tried and true that's still there, the old desktop remains for older applications and for people to still use.
If I'm overly-serious and irritable, it's because you're telling me (and Microsoft is telling me, by taking away the old interface) that I'm somehow wrong to want what I want. I was happy with XP; the designers had their new niche to play in, and the legacy interface worked just like I was used to from Windows 98. They started taking away the legacy interface in 7 (which is the main reason I haven't upgraded, aside from really having no need,) and now they're going even further with it. They're taking away the option that works best for me because they've decided for me that I no longer need it.
And to say something like "Advancements wouldn't be made if the human race stuck with the same thing" is naive. It's the kind of mindset that doesn't care where something is going as long as it's going. Change is only merited when the new thing is an improvement over the old thing (and even then, the hassle cost of switching has to be outweighed by the overall improvement.) Even stagnation is better than blindly endorsing a devolution of the user interface just because it's new.
The start menu is even there in an improved manner, just hover the mouse over where the start menu use to be and hello a newer version of one appears :-)
I'm sorry, I really don't mean to be rude, but if you've actually looked into the Start screen and you honestly think it's an improvement in anything but a touchscreen scenario (and, I suspect, even then,) you're an idiot. Have you looked into this beyond the promo shots? It's not New Magic, it's a space-hog version of the existing Start menu - which means that every program that adds its own shortcuts will still be adding crap to the Start screen. It's not going to look like this, (http://www.winrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/win8startscreen.jpg) it's going to look like this; (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6177/6236909602_b09f358968.jpg) it's basically the Start menu if you auto-expanded every subfolder and put lots of padding in between entries. It's a waste of space and a stupid design. And you can't get rid of it.
I think people need to remain open minded and give things a try. Change should not be feared or put down, wait for it to be released for awhile.
Again, I wouldn't care what they do if they'd just leave the legacy interface alone and untouched and confined their slipshod experiments to the new crap. But they aren't.
A year or two from now I predict most people will have a different view.
What are they going to do in a year or two? The thing that would most seriously improve Windows 8 (and people's reception of it) is to bring back the legacy interface; even the 7 Start menu would be an improvement. When the best thing that can be done for your design is to get rid of it, that says something.
I love 7, but it needs to evolve like most things do. I use to hate the new ribbon menu in Office 2007/2010 but since using it for awhile going back to Office 2003 etc and the interface feels outdated and slow.
But this is basically the problem with nerfing legacy UI; sure, you might like the ribbon, and good for you with that. I despise it. It's not a case of not having used it enough, we've been stuck with Office 2007 at work for two years now. I still despise it; the spatial organization is bad, menu items that were easy to find in 2003 are a scavenger hunt now, and Office's always-problematic Toolbar Wasteland Syndrome has now expanded to a full-on mega-toolbar that you can't get rid of. It eats up screen space, it eats up time, and it eats up happiness. Saying "well I like it" is great, but it doesn't do anything to endear it to me, or any of the countless other people who hate it.
It's the same thing with Windows 8; if you somehow like to have your Start menu expanded into a wasteland of every entry every installer decided to put in there, with padding, scrolling across screens' worth of data just to find what you're looking for, then...well, you like it, but saying you like it doesn't change anything about it that others are objecting to.
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Hope it has "Windows Classic" theme.
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This thread is assuming they had smart guys to begin with . . . :LOL:
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I'm sorry, I really don't mean to be rude, but if you've actually looked into the Start screen and you honestly think it's an improvement in anything but a touchscreen scenario (and, I suspect, even then,) you're an idiot.
I like how you started the sentence apologising about how you don't mean to be rude but by the end of the sentence you are just being rude.
Vista wasn't as bad as everyone made out, but it will be interesting to see whether the hate campagin against 8 will have the same impact. I remember XP being unpopular & even the start menu being ridiculed when 95 came out.
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This thread is assuming they had smart guys to begin with . . . :LOL:
Looks like all the smart guys are still there:
http://www.alltouchtablet.com/touchscreen-tablet-news/microsoft-asks-for-virtualization-fees-on-non-windows-tablets-17095/
iPads will remain in the clutches of hipsters tweeting about selling their "artwork" on ESTY while playing Cut the Rope in a rented townhouse while Windows Tablets will be adopted for Corporate Customers to avoid paying double "Apple Tax"
If you don't feel like reading the article MS is going to charge a fee to access Windows Machine's using virtualization. Companies will just issue Win8 tablets (which will cost less to begin with) and avoid the (extra) fee altogether.
Dirty move on MS's part, but it's a genius decision on their part, to maintain the stranglehold on their Corporate business.
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Dirty move on MS's part, but it's a genius decision on their part, to maintain the stranglehold on their Corporate business.
Oddly enough, federal customers seem to be leaning towards the iPad, and they've been hardcore Microsoft (but Blackberry for mobile) for as long as I can remember (haven't seen a single Mac.) If they're doing it, I'd have to expect plenty of corporate customers might be as well.
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@partycentralpartygirl
Your assuming they sell at least one Windows Tablet, which is assuming a lot. Windows Tablets have been available for over 10 years and customers always avoid them.
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The Win 8 tablets will be fail from the get go. The ARM version of Win 8 (Win RT) does not support domains/Active Directory, and the Intel based ones will be too power hungry and too chunky to be adopted by enterprise. Win RT doesn't support x86 Win 8 apps, etc. Sure, it comes with Office built in, but that's about the only selling point IMHO. MS lost the tablet race 10 years ago, and back then they didn't even have a viable competitor - there's simply no getting past the iPad now.
Active Directory is a very, very big thing in the enterprise world.
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@partycentralpartygirl
Your assuming they sell at least one Windows Tablet, which is assuming a lot. Windows Tablets have been available for over 10 years and customers always avoid them.
My doctor (and his entire office) has been using a Windows Tablets for at least a decade. So he'll upgrade, so there is seven sale right there. MS will be very happy! Perhaps Bill will get enough money to finally cure Aids for good with those sales numbers.
The reason that MS will be able to sell at least some of these tablets is because these tablets are far far different than previous tablets under the Windows banner. Previous tablets were expected to run a general purpose operating system with 30 years of backward compatibility (to some degree) When I say that I mean that I run DOS programs under Windows and they work just fine. I have some 16 bit Windows apps that work fine under Windows 7. The crux of Microsofts problems is backwards compatibility. Not to mention they had to run CISC x86 processors to ensure all the old stuff would work, they ate batteries for breakfast, new RISC ARM chips will allow MS to get similar battery life and performance out of their tablets as anyone else.
It's apples to oranges to compare the previous XP offerings to the new Metro devices. Eliminating backwards compatibility with legacy apps will free Microsoft to re-invent the OS. Which they have done via the Metro interface. (to much negative fanfare)
In my humble opinion the new Windows tablets will have about as much in common to the old tablets as the iPad does to Apple's Pippin.
Though the Pippin is clearly better than the iPad as it runs a PPC chip, and has removable media, and hooks to a TV out of the box. So long story short once again Apple Pippin's win the feature war vs the iPad. Though to be fair iPad does have wireless networking. So the Pippin only wins by a hair.