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Re: Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's
« Reply #119 from previous page: September 20, 2010, 07:57:58 PM »
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just like nobody uses analogue cameras to take pictures or processes sound using analogue tech.

Really, I still know people who use film cameras for "serious" (their word) photography.
And my local chain store (Fred Meyer's) still carries newly pressed records.
(Those things that look like really big black CDs??? :-)

Don't count out analog (or most things retro) quite yet...

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Re: Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's
« Reply #120 on: September 20, 2010, 09:06:19 PM »
In the end it's not my US$12K and it will give retro enthusiasts a chance to actually use their video toasters for something, so it's hard to be negative about this.  I've long ago outgrown video toaster and won't be going back to it, but at least those who haven't had the chance to try it and might like to will be able to deal with the modern world....
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Re: Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's
« Reply #122 on: September 20, 2010, 11:18:52 PM »
@Amiga_Nut

As others have stated and as this modern day feature rich HD $24,995 decendant of the Amiga Video Toaster Flyer shows, it's good to have both digital and analog ways to capture and switch video.

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Re: Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's
« Reply #123 on: September 21, 2010, 04:19:20 AM »
I don't get how some are dead seat against this bounty and also suggest alternate uses for the money... if Dick Van Dicke and I assume it's him want's to dedicate $12k to the task so be it. I differ to his expertise on the matter as he's been in the industry ...I dunno all his life? hell the guy worked directly with Disney so if he gets it and understands the value of this platorm it's because he was around when the old skool studio system controlled everything.
 

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Re: Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's
« Reply #124 on: September 21, 2010, 05:47:18 AM »
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me too.

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Re: Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's
« Reply #125 on: September 21, 2010, 12:40:56 PM »
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I don't get how some are dead seat against this bounty and also suggest alternate uses for the money... if Dick Van Dicke and I assume it's him want's to dedicate $12k to the task so be it. I differ to his expertise on the matter as he's been in the industry ...I dunno all his life? hell the guy worked directly with Disney so if he gets it and understands the value of this platorm it's because he was around when the old skool studio system controlled everything.


That's kind of the point though - it doesn't control everything anymore, and that kind of studio editing is well served by other platforms.

It all depends what is trying to be achieved:
If this is about a few retro enthusiasts having a new toy to do the same stuff with (and that's fine if it is) then this may be the way to go (although it beggars the question - why not just use a VT?).
If it's about moving the AmigaVT forward towards the current state-of-the-art, then it needs to be thought through at the concept level before deciding on detailed project plan.

Yes, I have a record deck, a record collection and a 35mm SLR camera. However, if I were going to develop a photo editiing suite for the Amiga(oid) platforms my primary focus would be on digital image processing.
If I were building a music editing suite I would first ensure that could manipulate digital input - if I wanted to record analogue input I would use a seperate recording (ie digitising) software.

Ultimately it comes down to: what are the desired outcomes from this? What does the donor want to achieve? What application does the donor see this as being focused toward?

In my experience, projects are quite often hobbled at the outset by the authors of the design brief assuming that the end-client's ideas are set in stone.
Most often what is stated by the end-client is THEIR CONCEPT of how to achieve the outcome, and not details of the desired outcome itself.
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Re: Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's
« Reply #126 on: September 21, 2010, 06:42:46 PM »
My amiga crashed so I fixed the megabytes.   After I got it working again, I was so excited, I built a little touch screen out of FPGA.  But then I got to thinking, frankly the equipment is getting old, it can't be fixed forever.  What if I can create a bounty, and if we all team together, we can update the analogs for digitalism.

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Re: Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's
« Reply #127 on: September 27, 2010, 01:27:02 AM »
Crom00, It's good to see you and others point out that not all is DIDO in 2010. Some of you may know my background is in video editing and DVD authoring and only this year I lost work due to not being able to get hold of a 2" player quick enough. Analogue will still be required for many years, many old film spools sit in garages around the world discarded until rediscovered (some of them well known titles too). I've made some good cash digitally remastering martial arts and porn movies, they all came off analogue sources and all ended up on DVD afterwards.

As for the doubters of this bounty, well if we end up with a decent OS4 video editor and someone else is paying the bounty, what's to complain about? If it fails it doesn't hurt me and if it works out I'll jump for joy.

Thanks bounty backer, whoever you are, I wish you luck.

Now, any chance of an OS4 DVD Maestro clone? I can but hope.
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Re: Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's
« Reply #128 on: September 27, 2010, 02:11:56 AM »
Thanx, your statements are all very true. The thing that hurts the Amiga Video Toaster & Flyer the most is people that have never used one just assume things and don't really know how great it was.

@Pyro

At the time I got the Flyer I had been burned by: VlaB motion on the high end, Iomega PC capture on the low end, and Media100 as it was still expensive. I had a toaster 4000 in a a desktop 4000 and got a Flyer rig off of someone on usenet. Back when Micropolis drives were used (should have been called Crapopolis as they all died) but the flyer was a workhorse. The only thing was you could not do was real time multilayered fx on a timeline, then again many systems from that era couldn't do that at the Flyers price point. The flyer gave to A and B with a Still Store/GFX overlay

I think it was bested only by the avid (industry standard but uber expensive) and Meda100 it was the best option out there and at least with the toaster you could always switch live.

Even today such a setup is useable for internet video as it has a 4 input switcher. If you have one connect the output to a anallog to firewire converter and you can econde that to flash streaming media with a cheap laptop and an A4000 or A2000 Toaster you  stream to the net (without a Tricaster).
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